Trump probably shot at a rally -- Still a jerk

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compcons

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or he used some of the ketchup packets that he keeps in his pockets, while under that pile.
When I watched the replays it looked like his hand was clean when he went down to the ground. I would have expected blood immediately as your face/head bleeds profusely when cut.

Edit - I should probably move over to the conspiracy thread. I am going to slap my conservatard, tinfoil hat on for this one.
 
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Zorba

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He died protecting his family, and that makes him a terrible human being in your eyes, because he supported Trump? And I'm shitty for thinking he didn't deserve to die?

Get a grip you hate spewing piece of shit.
No one there deserved to get shot, or killed. But I am calling BS on him "protecting his family" the shots were all fired too quick for anyone to react in a protective way.
 

Indus

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just heard both the shooters parents are licensed behavioral counselors.

I don't blame them.

People generally wanna know if the President's a Crook. Biden's not a crook!

But our former President is so terrible scumbag stealing 8 trillion of our tax dollars, even the Crooks are after him!
 
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trenchfoot

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Trump’s going to spend the rest of his life fearing conservative gunman. There’s a word for that…

Irony is the first word that came to mind. Cold, hard, sharp edged irony, the kind that backfires in righteous yet tragic ways. Trump got served what he preached and now his supporters, being the clueless hypocrites that they are, blaming the Democrats for responding to what these Trumpers have been hyping themselves up with for years on end. There's no class low enough to stuff them in.
 

alien42

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I don't blame them.

People generally wanna know if the President's a Crook. Biden's not a crook!

But our former President is so terrible scumbag stealing 8 trillion of our tax dollars, even the Crooks are after him!

I just thought it was ironic.
 
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Muse

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I just thought it was ironic.
It's only been 29 hours. We'll have more clarity, but what I've heard so far paints him quite conservative. However, throw a gun fetish into that and a loner complex, just graduated in May. Who knows what was going on with him? If they crack his phone's password, we may find out a lot more. Seems like most of these people who go terrorist/murderer spill some beans online before the crime.
 
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[DHT]Osiris

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When I watched the replays it looked like his hand was clean when he went down to the ground. I would have expected blood immediately as your face/head bleeds profusely when cut.
It takes a second for the heartbeats to push blood through stuff. For example, in stabbing cases the first stab doesn't result in blood spray, so you always n+1 on those.
 
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kage69

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Americans have guns on the brain, we are pickled in it from birth. Uh, I am not blaiming Joe for what happened yesterday.

America has what's known as a rifleman's culture, which can happen in countries with an abundance of wilderness frontier and conflict. Location has a lot to do with it, I think you'll see much less pickling in say, Connecticut, than you would Texas or Utah.

So there's that, and then there was the much more recent push (after Columbine) by the NRA, the gun manufacturers and their culture warrior friends to equate a rifle as your man card. One is a lot more dangerous IMO, produces incels and domestic terrorism.

Blame the shooter first, then blame SCROTUS. They created this situation. Trump's been a treasonous insufferable asshole for years but with all the prison time looming, everyone just watched and said he'll get his. Evidence will win, and it certainly did. But then SCROTUS decided to give him another get out of jail free card, surprise surprise, and now the prison sentence everyone's been waiting on is not going to happen. Now on top of that there is real existential danger to the country and our democracy if he stains the White House again.

Cue the enraged nuts embracing the only other option, and boom, first attack on a current or former Executive in 40+ years. I posted it would happen the other week in the immunity thread.
 
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HomerJS

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Apparently Trump recently said that he would limit intel sharing with allies. Ukraine could be the worst off with such a policy change.
Yet he gave top secret intel to the Russians in the Oval and hid it from our citizens. Russian press dropped that little nugget
 
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HomerJS

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It's out of control on both sides. Just look at a post here. Everyone needs to take down the rhetoric and the apocalyptic language of the other side wins an election. We're doom spiraling into self filling prophecies.

What's the brief history of the last few years?

2017 - Scalice - R is shot at a softball game by a leftist extremist
2021, Jan 6 - Trump extremists invade capital
2022 - far left guy shows up the SCOTUS justice kavenaugh's house looking to M-S
2022 - far right guy shows up Pelosi's House with a hammer

Violence will only lead to more.
Trump made jokes about attempted killing of Paul Pelosi and we forget that
 

HomerJS

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He died protecting his family, and that makes him a terrible human being in your eyes, because he supported Trump? And I'm shitty for thinking he didn't deserve to die?

Get a grip you hate spewing piece of shit.
I will clarify

The guy protecting his family is a murder, rape, sexual assault supporter.

Others can judge his character
 
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HomerJS

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You mean Pres Biden really said "So, we’re done talking about the debate. It’s time to put Trump in a bullseye."

Gotta love the hypocrites that once condemned that type of language and now endorse it.
Since Dems want to get rid of AR style weapons your comment makes no sense

You haven’t changed.
 

HomerJS

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So, how do you reconcile the injury to his ear? Was that some sleight of hand? A little device attached? This whole thing seems unlikely. Not the assassination attempt but the close call aspect. But such things happen.
How do you explain while SS trying to shield Trump with their bodies, Trump exposing his???
 

trenchfoot

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How do you explain while SS trying to shield Trump with their bodies, Trump exposing his???

Timing wise, it looks like Trump was allowed to expose himself because the shooter was by that time uhhhh....."neutralized" and safe for him to do so although from looking at the footage a couple of SS people was still trying to block him from inciting the crowd. What amazed me about Trump was that he was so fixated on playing it up to the crowd immediately after experiencing his nicked ear. He didn't care about anything else including his own safety.

Something is really wrong with what's inside that guy's head.
 

ondma

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How do you explain while SS trying to shield Trump with their bodies, Trump exposing his???
I agree, it is very strange that the USSS let him do that. My only thought is that perhaps they knew by that time that the shooter had been neutralized. There is so much more that doesn't add up. Like, how was the roof not cleared, and how did the shooter get there? Why weren't there drones or helicopters in the air for surveillance? Who was shot first, Trump or the bystanders? Was the shooter also trying to take out bystanders, or was he such a terrible shot that he hit people not even on the podium? At first, I thought it was really possible that it was a set up, but the fact that bystanders were hit and Trump was also hit (apparently???) makes that less likely. Also, the crowd reaction seems very muted; they just stayed where they were even after the shots were fired. I dont think even Trump would intentionally shoot his own supporters, and even he is not stupid enough to ask someone to graze his ear from well over 100 yards. So, at this point, I just view it as an act by a disturbed young man which may never have all the loose end tied up.
 

ondma

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Timing wise, it looks like Trump was allowed to expose himself because the shooter was by that time uhhhh....."neutralized" and safe for him to do so although from looking at the footage a couple of SS people was still trying to block him from inciting the crowd. What amazed me about Trump was that he was so fixated on playing it up to the crowd immediately after experiencing his nicked ear. He didn't care about anything else including his own safety.

Something is really wrong with what's inside that guy's head.
I agree there is plenty wrong inside Trump's head, but not sure this reaction is it. I mean, it was chaos, uncertainty, and undoubtedly an adrenaline overload, so who knows what one will do in that circumstance.
 

RnR_au

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How would the USSS deal with a small fleet of explosive equipped drones?
 

Jaskalas

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How would the USSS deal with a small fleet of explosive equipped drones?
One has to assume they have drones jammed within several hundred, if not a thousand feet, of any protected person.
Then again, you'd assume they'd clear adjacent rooftops with clear LOS.

The real danger of this successful breach, is a lot more people will think they can do it now too.
 
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trenchfoot

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One has to assume they have drones jammed within several hundred, if not a thousand feet, of any protected person.
Then again, you'd assume they'd clear adjacent rooftops with clear LOS.

The real danger of this successful breach, is a lot more people will think they can do it now too.

For the fact that such an obvious gap in coverage was allowed, even to the point where people in the crowd noticed the shooter and was calling him out to no avail, well the SS has got some 'splain'in to do, especially when the shooter was obviously out in the open in plain sight, the SS were in positions to clearly see the shooter because they took him out within seconds of rounds going off, the shooter took his time getting to his position, had all the time he needed to set up, sight in and send rounds out to Trump's head.

So maybe Trump's security detail thought the shooter was one of their guys thinking nobody was that stupid to pull a stunt like that. With that.....excuse out of the way, it seems to me there's no other satisfactory explanation the security guys can come up with other than committing gross negligence on their part.

As an aside, with this failed attempt on Trump's life brought live to every nook and cranny of the nation, will the Republicans in Congress now declare that there needs to be stricter controls on who can and cannot own guns, especially the type that can kill literally dozens of victims within a minute or two? Or are they going to double down on stupid and again claim that more guns will solve this problem not less?
 

misuspita

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Something is really wrong with what's inside that guy's head.
Well, we know presume the guy is a walking pool of medical cocktails at his rallies, so his reaction is amplified/modified by who knows what they give him to become functional (and even that doesn't work all the time).... It might explain why it never crossed his mind there may be more than one shooter... Now we know, but in those split seconds nobody knew and it would have been a good assumption that there may be more there finish the job.

Edit: This pic is for the rest of the world ))

 
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pmv

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Do you think Fence-sitters will be swayed by his Nazi salute? The one photo that these idiots are desperate to make famous? Somehow, I don't think people swayed by Nazi imagery are fence-sitters.

The clenched fist salute is not a nazi thing, goes back before even the black power thing in the '60s. It was mainly a characteristic of the left, though.

From a National Geographic article on it:

One of the earliest known instances in the U.S. of a protester brandishing a raised fist occurred in 1913, when “Big Bill” Haywood spoke to strikers during the Paterson silk strike in New Jersey. Haywood, a founding member of the union Industrial Workers of the World, preached working-class solidarity across all races and trades.
“Every finger by itself has no force,” he said, lifting his sizable hand to the crowd. “Now look,” he said, closing his fingers into a fist. “See that, that’s the IWW.”
Although that unified position gave the IWW the strength to achieve many of its goals for workers around the world, the workers’ movement faced violent opposition. By the 1920s, street battles were common between workers and the hired guns of employers—and between followers of different political ideologies. In 1926, one of the combatants, a German group called the Red Front Fighters (RFB), patented the clenched fist as part of their uniform and salute.
To Ernst Thälmann, leader of the RFB, the fist was a pledge to “protect the friend and fight off the enemy.” But the RFB, founded to guard Communist Party meetings from far-right attacks, battled as much against the Iron Front, the Social Democrats’ street-fighting arm, as it did fascists of the rising Nazi party. In 1932, the RFB rebranded as Antifaschistische Aktion—better known by the contraction antifa. The Nazis took power a year later; Thälmann and hundreds of his comrades died in concentration camps.
 
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zinfamous

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The clenched fist salute is not a nazi thing, goes back before even the black power thing in the '60s. It was mainly a characteristic of the left, though.

From a National Geographic article on it:

his first reaction when standing was the slanted open fist Nazi salute. He does this a lot.
 

Pens1566

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He died protecting his family, and that makes him a terrible human being in your eyes, because he supported Trump? And I'm shitty for thinking he didn't deserve to die?

Get a grip you hate spewing piece of shit.

I can confidently say, after seeing SOME of the guy's social media/internet presence, that he was in fact, a shitty human being. Basically, Ashli Babbit minus the actual criminal offense.

And, as others have posted, there was literally no time to "jump on the family" to be a hero. Sounds like the typical BS after something tragic where people attempt to paint the victim in the best light that they can.
 
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