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MrSquished

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Who gives a shit what Greenman thinks. That guy is a total piece of shit with no redeeming qualities. I've been saying that for 2 years. He is a waste of space, oxygen, and any resources that he uses day-to-day.
 

compcons

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Interesting. So tell me what critiques of Trump from here convinced you to vote for him a third time?

Be as specific as possible. I suspect you will never answer this but I would be happy if you proved me wrong.
Green has been made to feel uncomfortable because of his asinine views on, well everything. He is one of those people who can't process their absolute shit decision-making abilities so they flail about and rebel by going against the people who told him his ideas are absolute moronic. When the shit hits the fan and the predictable outcome of his actions come to fruition, his response won't be "man, I am a goddamn moron and made bad decisions", it will be "they were so mean to me for pointing out my flaws and fuck those people MOAR!!!" He is a person who hopes he hurts others more than he gets hurt. His last post absolutely shows he is beyond hope (just in case anyone had lingering doubts).
 

fskimospy

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Green has been made to feel uncomfortable because of his asinine views on, well everything. He is one of those people who can't process their absolute shit decision-making abilities so they flail about and rebel by going against the people who told him his ideas are absolute moronic. When the shit hits the fan and the predictable outcome of his actions come to fruition, his response won't be "man, I am a goddamn moron and made bad decisions", it will be "they were so mean to me for pointing out my flaws and fuck those people MOAR!!!" He is a person who hopes he hurts others more than he gets hurt. His last post absolutely shows he is beyond hope (just in case anyone had lingering doubts).
I wish that were true. I think the more likely answer will be he will deny it’s happening at all.

Like I’ve said before had the coup in 2020 succeeded conservatives would not have said ‘haha we won, democracy over!’ they would claim the system worked as designed and the house merely resolved a disagreement.

@Greenman is doing the same thing now. The coup wasn’t a coup, it was a normal disagreement.

I encourage you all to read this in its entirety, especially @Greenman, and do so objectively without thinking what person it might apply to.

 

Zorba

Lifer
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Honestly not sure what you are referring to here. In any case, "equal civil and legal rights" is somewhat vague and open to interpretation compared to the 22nd amendment which very specifically says that a president cannot be elected more than twice unless the first term was less than two years. My post about Trump running in 2028 as VP was somewhat in jest.
They just threw out the 3 clause of the 14th amendment. They will have no problem throwing out other parts of the constitution if they decide to.

 

fskimospy

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"Look what you made me do!" Whaa.

You were never not going to vote for Trump, you are the most obvious "I don't actually like Trump" Trump fan ever.
It is petulant nonsense where a retired adult two time Trump voter claimed he decided to vote for Trump for a third time because people on an obscure tech message board were mean to him.

I am confused as to why an adult would do this.
 

fskimospy

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I’ve quoted this before and it’s a bit long for forum reading but I encourage people to do it. This is what’s happening now.

You see," my colleague went on, "one doesn’t see exactly where or how to move. Believe me, this is true. Each act, each occasion, is worse than the last, but only a little worse. You wait for the next and the next. You wait for one great shocking occasion, thinking that others, when such a shock comes, will join with you in resisting somehow. You don’t want to act, or even talk, alone; you don’t want to ‘go out of your way to make trouble.’ Why not?—Well, you are not in the habit of doing it. And it is not just fear, fear of standing alone, that restrains you; it is also genuine uncertainty.

"Uncertainty is a very important factor, and, instead of decreasing as time goes on, it grows. Outside, in the streets, in the general community, ‘everyone’ is happy. One hears no protest, and certainly sees none. You know, in France or Italy there would be slogans against the government painted on walls and fences; in Germany, outside the great cities, perhaps, there is not even this. In the university community, in your own community, you speak privately to your colleagues, some of whom certainly feel as you do; but what do they say? They say, ‘It’s not so bad’ or ‘You’re seeing things’ or ‘You’re an alarmist.’

"And you are an alarmist. You are saying that this must lead to this, and you can’t prove it. These are the beginnings, yes; but how do you know for sure when you don’t know the end, and how do you know, or even surmise, the end? On the one hand, your enemies, the law, the regime, the Party, intimidate you. On the other, your colleagues pooh-pooh you as pessimistic or even neurotic. You are left with your close friends, who are, naturally, people who have always thought as you have.

"But your friends are fewer now. Some have drifted off somewhere or submerged themselves in their work. You no longer see as many as you did at meetings or gatherings. Informal groups become smaller; attendance drops off in little organizations, and the organizations themselves wither. Now, in small gatherings of your oldest friends, you feel that you are talking to yourselves, that you are isolated from the reality of things. This weakens your confidence still further and serves as a further deterrent to—to what? It is clearer all the time that, if you are going to do anything, you must make an occasion to do it, and then you are obviously a troublemaker. So you wait, and you wait.

"But the one great shocking occasion, when tens or hundreds or thousands will join with you, never comes. That’s the difficulty. If the last and worst act of the whole regime had come immediately after the first and smallest, thousands, yes, millions would have been sufficiently shocked—if, let us say, the gassing of the Jews in ’43 had come immediately after the ‘German Firm’ stickers on the windows of non-Jewish shops in ’33. But of course this isn’t the way it happens. In between come all the hundreds of little steps, some of them imperceptible, each of them preparing you not to be shocked by the next. Step C is not so much worse than Step B, and, if you did not make a stand at Step B, why should you at Step C? And so on to Step D.

"And one day, too late, your principles, if you were ever sensible of them, all rush in upon you. The burden of self-deception has grown too heavy, and some minor incident, in my case my little boy, hardly more than a baby, saying ‘Jewish swine,’ collapses it all at once, and you see that everything, everything, has changed and changed completely under your nose. The world you live in—your nation, your people—is not the world you were born in at all. The forms are all there, all untouched, all reassuring, the houses, the shops, the jobs, the mealtimes, the visits, the concerts, the cinema, the holidays. But the spirit, which you never noticed because you made the lifelong mistake of identifying it with the forms, is changed. Now you live in a world of hate and fear, and the people who hate and fear do not even know it themselves; when everyone is transformed, no one is transformed. Now you live in a system which rules without responsibility even to God. The system itself could not have intended this in the beginning, but in order to sustain itself it was compelled to go all the way.
 

MrSquished

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It is petulant nonsense where a retired adult two time Trump voter claimed he decided to vote for Trump for a third time because people on an obscure tech message board were mean to him.

I am confused as to why an adult would do this.
This is because you have consistently shown you have very little grasp of what people are actually like in any type of political sense. Totally oblivious. Everything from with big calls on politicians, like DeSantis would respect democracy, or basically lauhging at the statement that people do also need inspiration to go out and win elections for the right side, to your consistently terrible knowledge of some of our posters here, even having called Greenman smart well after it was quite obvious he was a willfully ignorant douchebag.
 
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Vic

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I wish that were true. I think the more likely answer will be he will deny it’s happening at all.

Like I’ve said before had the coup in 2020 succeeded conservatives would not have said ‘haha we won, democracy over!’ they would claim the system worked as designed and the house merely resolved a disagreement.

@Greenman is doing the same thing now. The coup wasn’t a coup, it was a normal disagreement.

I encourage you all to read this in its entirety, especially @Greenman, and do so objectively without thinking what person it might apply to.

The real conservative "brain defect" (as another poster would say) is the inability to face being wrong (or merely associated with being wrong) and to learn from that. Because to the conservative mind the social consequences of being wrong outweigh any practical consequences. If caught lying or even unknowingly spreading mistruths, they'll simply create a new reality where they're still not wrong. If pressed on the truth, they'll claim victimhood and oppression.
And people like that are dangerous and capable of unspeakable evil, especially in large groups.
 

Paratus

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The real conservative "brain defect" (as another poster would say) is the inability to face being wrong (or merely associated with being wrong) and to learn from that. Because to the conservative mind the social consequences of being wrong outweigh any practical consequences. If caught lying or even unknowingly spreading mistruths, they'll simply create a new reality where they're still not wrong. If pressed on the truth, they'll claim victimhood and oppression.
And people like that are dangerous and capable of unspeakable evil, especially in large groups.
Vic! We thought you were killed in the wasteland that Portland became after the roving gangs of antifa and immigrants.

Anyway. Good point.
 

trenchfoot

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Green has been made to feel uncomfortable because of his asinine views on, well everything. He is one of those people who can't process their absolute shit decision-making abilities so they flail about and rebel by going against the people who told him his ideas are absolute moronic. When the shit hits the fan and the predictable outcome of his actions come to fruition, his response won't be "man, I am a goddamn moron and made bad decisions", it will be "they were so mean to me for pointing out my flaws and fuck those people MOAR!!!" He is a person who hopes he hurts others more than he gets hurt. His last post absolutely shows he is beyond hope (just in case anyone had lingering doubts).

He's obviously acquired that attitude from Daddy Donald Dumbshit because if that doesn't describe the Orange Masked Moron right down to his chin jutting sneer I don't know what does.
 

Vic

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Vic! We thought you were killed in the wasteland that Portland became after the roving gangs of antifa and immigrants.

Anyway. Good point.
For a whild there, Portland was more in danger of being overrun by Nextdoor Karens that call the police every time someone walks by on the sidewalk, but thankfully we seem to have averted both crises for now.
 

trenchfoot

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For a whild there, Portland was more in danger of being overrun by Nextdoor Karens that call the police every time someone walks by on the sidewalk, but thankfully we seem to have averted both crises for now.

For kicks and giggles I did a search for "Mean Karens" on YouTube and some of them were eye bulging jaw droppers, especially during the Covid mask-up era.
 

ondma

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Just so people know, no one who is ineligible to service as POTUS can be elected to VP, as established in the 12th Amendment.
I assume you mean the last line of the amendment. However, one could still argue that a 2x elected President could be eligible for a third term by taking over due to death or incapacity, since they wouldn't be "elected" to a third term. The 22nd amendment only says a president cannot be elected to a third term. It is splitting hairs, but we have seen already that Trump will twist the rules to take advantage of any possible loophole, and who knows what the Supreme Court, who are in his back pocket, would allow.
 

RY62

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You did in fact miss the point. It is perfectly acceptable to refer to him as a convicted felon in this context as that is how the word is commonly understood.

Similarly it is perfectly fine to refer to him as a rapist as he is also that as it is commonly understood.
Lol, you're still doing it. You can refer to him as a sex offender or a criminal if you like and though I might be inclined to agree with you, that's still not the point of my original argument.

Under NY law, he is still not, and possibly may never be, legally a "convicted felon" nor has he ever been charged, tried or convicted of rape. Rape is a criminal charge that would require a much greater burden of proof. The evidence of the civil trial would never have been enough for a criminal trial.

With the evidence provided by the diary, we could conclude that Joe is a convicted incestuous, pedophile but I'd argue that to be false as well. Conviction in the public eye is not a conviction. Just as Trump has never been tried or convicted of rape, Joe has never been tried or convicted for the allegations of his daughter.
 
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zinfamous

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Trump did reach out.
President Trump also authorized a GoFundMe page in support of the victims and their families. The fundraising effort aimed to reach a goal of $1 million, but as of Sunday evening has smashed that, surpassing $2.8 million. The GoFundMe had raised over $4 million from over 54,000 donations as of Monday afternoon.

as of your post he didn't talk to a single one of them. not one.

and lol if he's "organizing" a gofundme for...who? Do you think he's going to steal all of that money like he did for his "cancer kids" charity?

This is something that he does. He's human garbage, and he does it out in the open. The fact that you somehow think Trump is being generous here is a sad indictment on how unfixable you are. Seek help.
 

ch33zw1z

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Lol, you're still doing it. You can refer to him as a sex offender or a criminal if you like and though I might be inclined to agree with you, that's still not the point of my original argument.

Under NY law, he is still not, and possibly may never be, legally a "convicted felon" nor has he ever been charged, tried or convicted of rape. Rape is a criminal charge that would require a much greater burden of proof. The evidence of the civil trial would never have been enough for a criminal trial.

With the evidence provided by the diary, we could conclude that Joe is a convicted incestuous, pedophile but I'd argue that to be false as well. Conviction in the public eye is not a conviction. Just as Trump has never been tried or convicted of rape, Joe has never been tried or convicted for the allegations of his daughter.

This is funny, because Trump blatantly lies (verifiably) and just says “many people are saying” and conservatives be like “huh, he tells it like it is”. And then Dems say he’s a convicted felon, because a jury of his peers unanimously found him guilty on all charges brought….and people like yourself are like “well, not yet!”.

I mean, cmon dude, you’ve gotten see how craven this response is.
 
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