Trump probably shot at a rally -- Still a jerk

[Brainonska511]

I'm sorry but this is horseshit revisionism that it was done in a "best" fashion. I fully support Biden's decision to finally withdraw. It was the right policy, and his arms were tied by Trump announcing it without having any plan. Didn't DJT want to invite the Taliban to Camp David for a signing ceremony? Around the 9/11 anniversary no less LOL

The problem is that the Biden administration also had an unrealistic plan. It is well chronicled that we just assumed the AF government would stand up as we stood down and left. We closed Bagram Airfield long before the withdrawal date, and just assumed things were stable. That summer there were signs that the Taliban was ready to pounce, but we didn't really react to it. Later when the shit hit the fan, we had to pivot to military evac of tens of thousands. This part went about as well as you could expect under difficult circumstances.

IIRC the week before we burned all the documents at the U.S. Embassy in Kabul, the State Dept. was still claiming the embassy was staying open. In hindsight, the withdrawal was always going to be difficult but let's not BS and say it couldn't have gone better. To be clear, I'm not agreeing with GQP talking points on the AF withdrawal because as usual, they are lying sacks of shit.

Keeping Bagram open was going to still be a clusterfuck thanks to it being a bit of a way from Kabul and crappy roads between. It would have just been a different clusterfuck.

Regardless of the eventual outcome, how many people are still talking about Afghanistan? Like 0, because we no longer have a presence there. Biden ripped the bandaid off when other administrations continued to buy into the ridiculous belief that a low level conflict supported by a corrupt warlords-turned-government government would eventually develop legitimacy and stabilize.

 

[manly]

Keeping Bagram open was going to still be a clusterfuck thanks to it being a bit of a way from Kabul and crappy roads between. It would have just been a different clusterfuck.

Regardless of the eventual outcome, how many people are still talking about Afghanistan? Like 0, because we no longer have a presence there. Biden ripped the bandaid off when other administrations continued to buy into the ridiculous belief that a low level conflict supported by a corrupt warlords-turned-government government would eventually develop legitimacy and stabilize.

I'm no military expert, so I'm not saying Bagram should have necessarily stayed open until the very end. Like you said, it was far enough away from Kabul to not factor into military evac. My point was a shitstorm was brewing that summer, and we were slowly reactive to it. It insults our collective intelligence when the administration said it all went down by the plan. Our approach very much violated the cliche, "plan for the worst, hope for the best."

I'm not trying to re-litigate this. Most Americans don't care about AF and couldn't point to it on a map of central Asia.

And most of us agree strongly, the policy to end the Forever war as absolutely the right policy, even if DJT had served up a shit sandwich for the next administration.

Here's what I wrote 3 years ago (couldn't find a good article about it, maybe it was in Slate):

Page 44 - Why Biden is pulling the US -- and NATO -- out of Afghanistan

Page 44 - Seeking answers? Join the AnandTech community: where nearly half-a-million members share solutions and discuss the latest tech.

forums.anandtech.com

The official post-mortem:

https://www.cnn.com/2023/06/30/politics/state-deparment-afghanistan-withdrawal-report/index.html

 

[Brainonska511]

Trump has given no official info about his medical care for days since an assassination attempt

Four days after a gunman’s attempt to assassinate former President Donald Trump, the public is still in the dark over the extent of his injuries, what treatment the Republican presidential nominee received in the hospital, and whether there may be any long-term effects on his health.

apnews.com

Seems to be the first major piece to note that Trump hasn't released any records over his treatment for the alleged wound he received.

 

[hal2kilo]

Trump has given no official info about his medical care for days since an assassination attempt

Four days after a gunman’s attempt to assassinate former President Donald Trump, the public is still in the dark over the extent of his injuries, what treatment the Republican presidential nominee received in the hospital, and whether there may be any long-term effects on his health.

apnews.com

Seems to be the first major piece to note that Trump hasn't released any records over his treatment for the alleged wound he received.

I guess minor flesh wound just doesn't have a nice enough ring for Donald.

 

[dank69]

I guess minor flesh wound just doesn't have a nice enough ring for Donald.

"minor flesh wound. applied maxipad to forehead. change maxipad twice a day or as necessary."

 

[brycejones]

Trump has given no official info about his medical care for days since an assassination attempt

Four days after a gunman’s attempt to assassinate former President Donald Trump, the public is still in the dark over the extent of his injuries, what treatment the Republican presidential nominee received in the hospital, and whether there may be any long-term effects on his health.

apnews.com

Seems to be the first major piece to note that Trump hasn't released any records over his treatment for the alleged wound he received.

It must mean a bullet is still lodged in his brain. Why else would they be covering up his care?

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

I'm no military expert, so I'm not saying Bagram should have necessarily stayed open until the very end. Like you said, it was far enough away from Kabul to not factor into military evac. My point was a shitstorm was brewing that summer, and we were slowly reactive to it. It insults our collective intelligence when the administration said it all went down by the plan. Our approach very much violated the cliche, "plan for the worst, hope for the best."

I'm not trying to re-litigate this. Most Americans don't care about AF and couldn't point to it on a map of central Asia.

And most of us agree strongly, the policy to end the Forever war as absolutely the right policy, even if DJT had served up a shit sandwich for the next administration.

Here's what I wrote 3 years ago (couldn't find a good article about it, maybe it was in Slate):

Page 44 - Why Biden is pulling the US -- and NATO -- out of Afghanistan

Page 44 - Seeking answers? Join the AnandTech community: where nearly half-a-million members share solutions and discuss the latest tech.

forums.anandtech.com

The official post-mortem:

https://www.cnn.com/2023/06/30/politics/state-deparment-afghanistan-withdrawal-report/index.html

Those bases meshed with each other. Leave one open and your chances of having a Vietnam embassy situation live streamed for the world to watch increases dramatically.

 

[ondma]

I'm no military expert, so I'm not saying Bagram should have necessarily stayed open until the very end. Like you said, it was far enough away from Kabul to not factor into military evac. My point was a shitstorm was brewing that summer, and we were slowly reactive to it. It insults our collective intelligence when the administration said it all went down by the plan. Our approach very much violated the cliche, "plan for the worst, hope for the best."

I'm not trying to re-litigate this. Most Americans don't care about AF and couldn't point to it on a map of central Asia.

And most of us agree strongly, the policy to end the Forever war as absolutely the right policy, even if DJT had served up a shit sandwich for the next administration.

Here's what I wrote 3 years ago (couldn't find a good article about it, maybe it was in Slate):

Page 44 - Why Biden is pulling the US -- and NATO -- out of Afghanistan

Page 44 - Seeking answers? Join the AnandTech community: where nearly half-a-million members share solutions and discuss the latest tech.

forums.anandtech.com

The official post-mortem:

https://www.cnn.com/2023/06/30/politics/state-deparment-afghanistan-withdrawal-report/index.html

Yea, and we are ignoring the probably thousands of Afghanis themselves who were tortured and/or killed due to the hasty and chaotic withdrawal. Was it inevitable that some would be killed when we pulled out, undoubtedly. But could we have protected them better and allowed time for more American supporters to escape the country? I think we could have. .

 

[eelw]

Lol how could Linda McMahon say that with a straight face. Defending orange monkey wanting to apply tariffs. Lol sure it will help Americans.

 

[Muse]

CNN story by neurosurgeon who says the extent of Trump's injuries should be investigated and made public.

Dr. Sanjay Gupta: There are still key questions about Trump’s injuries after attempted assassination​

https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/18/health/dr-sanjay-gupta-analysis-trump/index.html?bt_ts=1721430700491&utm_medium=email&utm_source=cnn_In+Case+You+Missed+It+-+ICYMI&utm_term=17214307004881813d37ee885&bt_ee=ZIPCqCy9THV7aFKa7%2BfZ9Kc9MbTAQiXGI34ReC16OAeSbLbMvsRzZz%2FYatQ4qtdT&bt_alias=eyJ1c2VySWQiOiAiOTM3ZmVkZjUtZDg1ZC00MmVmLWI3NjYtMjAxZWExMGU3YzBhIn0%3D

 

[Puffnstuff]

Now his cronies are wearing flags over their right ears. Nobody on the left is going to do the robot walk in support of grandpa.

 

[brycejones]

Now his cronies are wearing flags over their right ears. Nobody on the left is going to do the robot walk in support of grandpa.

People on the “left” wouldn’t do that for Obama because they aren’t in a cult.

 

[Greenman]

CNN story by neurosurgeon who says the extent of Trump's injuries should be investigated and made public.

Dr. Sanjay Gupta: There are still key questions about Trump’s injuries after attempted assassination​

https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/18/health/dr-sanjay-gupta-analysis-trump/index.html?bt_ts=1721430700491&utm_medium=email&utm_source=cnn_In+Case+You+Missed+It+-+ICYMI&utm_term=17214307004881813d37ee885&bt_ee=ZIPCqCy9THV7aFKa7%2BfZ9Kc9MbTAQiXGI34ReC16OAeSbLbMvsRzZz%2FYatQ4qtdT&bt_alias=eyJ1c2VySWQiOiAiOTM3ZmVkZjUtZDg1ZC00MmVmLWI3NjYtMjAxZWExMGU3YzBhIn0%3D

Let me take care of that for you.
Trumps ear was nicked by a bullet, there was very minor bleeding, someone put a bandage on it to keep the little cut clean.
Sanjay must be seriously hurting for content.

 

[brycejones]

Let me take care of that for you.
Trumps ear was nicked by a bullet, there was very minor bleeding, someone put a bandage on it to keep the little cut clean.
Sanjay must be seriously hurting for content.

Are you sure about that? Have we had a trial yet?

 

[ch33zw1z]

Are you sure about that? Have we had a trial yet?

He’s got the inside scoop from the deep state

 

[Leeea]

This is increasingly looking like a young man who was not out to shoot Trump.


But a young man who was out to shoot a president, and didn't care which.

 

[Muse]

Let me take care of that for you.
Trumps ear was nicked by a bullet, there was very minor bleeding, someone put a bandage on it to keep the little cut clean.
Sanjay must be seriously hurting for content.

You know, this whole thing stinks. You're trying to tell me the Republicans didn't stage this? This is very very very very fishy.

 

[Muse]

This is increasingly looking like a young man who was not out to shoot Trump.


But a young man who was out to shoot a president, and didn't care which.

I'm not buying that one either, but believe what you want.

 

[jmagg]

It's blatantly obvious the shooter was attempting an assassination of Trump. I will agree that such a close call can and probably will change the way a man thinks going forward, for better or worse. As for it being staged, no way. Believe your eyes.

 

[eelw]

I'm not buying that one either, but believe what you want.

But it is. He just wanted chaos. If it was really staged, they wouldn’t have used such an inexperienced boy.

 

[ch33zw1z]

You know, this whole thing stinks. You're trying to tell me the Republicans didn't stage this? This is very very very very fishy.

Many people are saying…

 

[Paratus]

This is increasingly looking like a young man who was not out to shoot Trump.


But a young man who was out to shoot a president, and didn't care which.

My little hypothesis is his dad was a big Trump supporter and he was pissed at his dad.

 

[ivwshane]

This is increasingly looking like a young man who was not out to shoot Trump.


But a young man who was out to shoot a president, and didn't care which.

He should be lauded as a hero by gun nuts then for exercising his 2nd amendment rights. Or does that not apply here?

 

[Zorba]

The Trump cult wearing ear bandages as a sign of solidarity with their dear leader:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1813832662009713113

..and now Trump's new monthly grift hawking TEMU quality "FIGHT, FIGHT, FIGHT" shoes for $299

https://twitter.com/x/status/1813591445414302045

Wonder if he is paying for the use of that copyrighted picture.

 

[Zorba]

I'm sorry but this is horseshit revisionism that it was done in a "best" fashion. I fully support Biden's decision to finally withdraw. It was the right policy, and his arms were tied by Trump announcing it without having any plan. Didn't DJT want to invite the Taliban to Camp David for a signing ceremony? Around the 9/11 anniversary no less LOL

The problem is that the Biden administration also had an unrealistic plan. It is well chronicled that we just assumed the AF government would stand up as we stood down and left. We closed Bagram Airfield long before the withdrawal date, and just assumed things were stable. That summer there were signs that the Taliban was ready to pounce, but we didn't really react to it. Later when the shit hit the fan, we had to pivot to military evac of tens of thousands. This part went about as well as you could expect under difficult circumstances.

IIRC the week before we burned all the documents at the U.S. Embassy in Kabul, the State Dept. was still claiming the embassy was staying open. In hindsight, the withdrawal was always going to be difficult but let's not BS and say it couldn't have gone better. To be clear, I'm not agreeing with GQP talking points on the AF withdrawal because as usual, they are lying sacks of shit.

Wasn't closing Bagram Trump's action?