Who is saying there were no bullets fired? Also the idea that Trump set this up is preposterous. What people are saying is that it’s possible Trump is lying about the source of his injury.Seems like the dead guy would have a different opinion if he wasn't dead. Maybe the two that were wounded could speak to the veracity of the bullets flying. I guess it all could have been a setup, but I have trouble believing Trump would approve a plan that entailed an untrained shooter firing in his direction from 140 yards away. I sure as hell wouldn't agree to being near the target.
I thunk Pete deleted his account.Free speech "absolutist" once again suppressing speech he doesn't like.
The billionaire class has to be reigned in. #wealthtaxes #eattherich #maketheinhertancetaxmeaningfulagain
It seems pretty clear that the injury happened at the rally where the shooting occurred. So if Trump was prepared to fake an injury he must have had foreknowledge that there would be an event that could be used to justify his fake injury.Who is saying there were no bullets fired? Also the idea that Trump set this up is preposterous. What people are saying is that it’s possible Trump is lying about the source of his injury.
I don’t really care either way but it’s reasonable to think he may be lying because he lies about literally everything.
That’s pretty obviously wrong and nobody is saying his injury was faked. For example he could have been injured by the secret service when they tackled him and then later decided to lie about the source of the injury.It seems pretty clear that the injury happened at the rally where the shooting occurred. So if Trump was prepared to fake an injury he must have had foreknowledge that there would be an event that could be used to justify his fake injury.
My point being that just one part of the event couldn't be faked without the entire thing being faked.
Someone once said Trump would lie to you about the weather just to keep in practice.Lol as it's said how do you know he's lying? When his lips are moving.
It does seem like he could clear all this up in a minute if he just released his long form medical records. What is he hiding?If everything is as claimed Trump’s ear was hit by a bullet why has he refused to release medical records as part of the investigation?
Biden should use his newly discovered powers of being able to break any law while President and order them released, along with all of Trumps taxes.It does seem like he could clear all this up in a minute if he just released his long form medical records. What is he hiding?
Well, I suppose I could suggest that he lies pathologically about any and everything because his permanent mindset is motivated by a fear of truth. All real facts about Trump indicate he is worthless, especially in his father’s eyes. He may have had a profound need to hide everything about himself to avoid being put down. “Did the poor baby get a scratch on his ear.”It does seem like he could clear all this up in a minute if he just released his long form medical records. What is he hiding?
It’s going to be a great victory for democracy if Harris wins and the Supreme Court is fixed to reverse that without resorting to the use of such dangerous power.Biden should use his newly discovered powers of being able to break any law while President and order them released, along with all of Trumps taxes.
He won’t but he should
You make a joke but remember the hurricane forecast map he altered?Someone once said Trump would lie to you about the weather just to keep in practice.
Hey @Greenman would appreciate an answer to this since you said “I’m in the Trump camp”Do you have a daughter or a niece? One day you will have to justify to them supporting the sexual assaulter vs the person who put sexual assaulters in prison.
How will that conversation go? "Well honey, you just may have to tolerate powerful men putting their hands down your pants because of the bigger picture. We need those tax cuts"
I would hope my daughter wouldn't wait twenty or thirty years to mention it.Hey @Greenman would appreciate an answer to this since you said “I’m in the Trump camp”
Duh...if Harris wins, Uncle Thomas will quickly explain that what they said isn't what they meant...as long as a Democrat is in office.It’s going to be a great victory for democracy if Harris wins and the Supreme Court is fixed to reverse that without resorting to the use of such dangerous power.
This is true, I am sure in your conception of what ethical behavior should look like but just as a liberally logical person would naturally conclude that a profoundly dishonest person would lie at the drop of a hat, so to would such a person take into account the historical fate of women who reported rape against powerful men. For ever and ever and still to this day requires tremendous courage to face the heat such men can bring to bear to destroy their reputations. It becomes part of the standard repertoire for legal defense teams to bring that up at trials which is why evidence that the aggrieved woman told close associates at the time of the rape that become vital parts of evidence. The same thing holds true for liberally logical people when dealing with pathological liars. No logical person will ever trust anything people like that say. Your problem, if I can call it that, your unconsciously assumed bias, goes first, not to the logic of the situation that raped women don't like to speak about being raped or that liars will naturally lie, but to the evil that is done by people who bear false witness against others.I would hope my daughter wouldn't wait twenty or thirty years to mention it.
The mental gymnastics on display here are amazing.I would hope my daughter wouldn't wait twenty or thirty years to mention it.
Boy greenman you are a sick and gross. You support rape and are a traitor to America. The sheer evil of you stating should have said something years ago reveals you hate women and are dumb and ignorant moron. You didn’t say you hope your daughter would never have to find out just that she should pull her big boy pants and immediately report a horrendous crime against her against a person with more power? Tell me, if your daughter told you years later Trump raped her would you call her pathetic for not reporting it? You are a horrendous person. I hope you have no children though according to Vance that make you pathetic but only if you a womanThe mental gymnastics on display here are amazing.
He was found by a jury of his peers to have more likely than not raped someone. Is that someone you would want your daughter to associate with?
many liberals bear false witness? Provide citations to that you fake. What a crock of utter shit. Your word salad of ignorance is worthy of Trump. I bet you love the truthtellers that are Trump and Vance.Let me add to what I said in post 1367. Many liberals bear false witness and it is easy to fall into stereotyping all of them being that way especially as that becomes a propaganda point used against them in conservative parlance. It is easy to dismiss anything they say as being false in that way. That is simply a form of bigotry also. We habituate rationalization. Not a good thing.
Still doesn’t answer question. U cool supporting someone who sexually assaults women especially if you have female relatives? If you had a 12 year old daughter could you tell her that?I would hope my daughter wouldn't wait twenty or thirty years to mention it.
Bull-fucking-shit.Let me add to what I said in post 1367. Many liberals bear false witness and it is easy to fall into stereotyping all of them being that way especially as that becomes a propaganda point used against them in conservative parlance. It is easy to dismiss anything they say as being false in that way. That is simply a form of bigotry also. We habituate rationalization. Not a good thing.
My only objection here is that Trump wasn't convicted of rape. A jury found against him in a civil trial.This is true, I am sure in your conception of what ethical behavior should look like but just as a liberally logical person would naturally conclude that a profoundly dishonest person would lie at the drop of a hat, so to would such a person take into account the historical fate of women who reported rape against powerful men. For ever and ever and still to this day requires tremendous courage to face the heat such men can bring to bear to destroy their reputations. It becomes part of the standard repertoire for legal defense teams to bring that up at trials which is why evidence that the aggrieved woman told close associates at the time of the rape that become vital parts of evidence. The same thing holds true for liberally logical people when dealing with pathological liars. No logical person will ever trust anything people like that say. Your problem, if I can call it that, your unconsciously assumed bias, goes first, not to the logic of the situation that raped women don't like to speak about being raped or that liars will naturally lie, but to the evil that is done by people who bear false witness against others.
You are so biased in that direction, a very principled moral value I agree, but in your case in my opinion, it clouds our vision to what is even more obvious, that liars lie and rapist rape and trump was so convicted in a court of law. Your moral values that it is wrong to accuse people of crimes without evidence will not be lost by looking at a spectrum of evidence. That will remain wrong because it is a valid moral principle. It is just that there are other moral considerations to be had also.
It is wrong to protect a guilty person from overwhelming evidence of guilt if you are biased in what you call evidence. Trump was convicted and accused of many more crimes than those. There is massive evidence he is a hugely unprincipled liar and an all around asshole to boot. You can't be rational and vote for him. Whatever emotional pain facing that takes you should face it. I say this as a person who lost everything I held dear to the principle I held to the most, merciless honesty. Before that I did not know that all my sacred cows were a prison, one that I could not see.
Amazing how his religious supporters completely abandon the gospel for him no matter what he does then want to impose their will upon you when it suits their purposes. The spirit of club hypocrite lives on in the same vain as the Pharisees, Sadducees and the Scribes when Jesus stopped them from stoning the woman at the well to death.My only objection here is that Trump wasn't convicted of rape. A jury found against him in a civil trial.