Trump probably shot at a rally -- Still a jerk

[Ashberto]

i look forward to Garand Thumb's video of why that was a bad pick.

 

[Linux23]

Over on Fox, they are bitching that Trump should have just as much or even more security than President Biden. 🙄

 

[manly]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1835403813475570113

To be honest, that last line is hard to take seriously. I realise as a politician contending for high office she is pretty-much obliged to say that sort of thing, but...really? Seems to me that violence - particularly gun-violence - has a firmly-established place in America.

Look, violence is everywhere but obviously that doesn't mean it's a desirable thing.
More specifically, Kamala Harris is speaking about political violence, even though she didn't use the qualifier. Most of us firmly believe that definitely has no place in a well-functioning democracy. We want to defeat DJT at the polls, placing him in the dust bin of history once and for all.

We all know that if the shoe was somehow on the other foot, DJT would have to be cajoled by his campaign team to put out a statement against political violence. If somehow the perp was a "liberal," Trump would be more likely to turn that into a campaign talking point than to take the high road.

I, for one, am afraid one of these idiots might succeed, and J. D. Vance might become President with the sympathy/revenge vote.

A) Cultists vote for their cult leader.
B) Available evidence suggests JD Vance is highly unliked by the electorate.

 

[pmv]

Look, violence is everywhere but obviously that doesn't mean it's a desirable thing.

Agreed.

More specifically, Kamala Harris is speaking about political violence, even though she didn't use the qualifier. Most of us firmly believe that definitely has no place in a well-functioning democracy. We want to defeat DJT at the polls, placing him in the dust bin of history once and for all.

Except that political violence has a very long history in the US - it's how the country came into existence, after all (and, even bracketing-out the civil war, what was the ethnic-cleansing of the American Indians, the maintenance of slavery, and, later, the epidemic of lynchings, but political violence?) .

How many political assassinations and attempted-assassinations have there been now? They seem to have been a regular occurrence since George Washington's time.

Not to mention events like Greensboro or the incredibly-violent Labour disputes the US has experienced.

Saying it shouldn't have a place is fair comment, but it's hard not to roll one's eyes at the statement that it "has no place".

 

[dank69]

Yeah, but that's with 5.56x45 and 7.62x51 though.

7.62x39, especially past 300m, is an entirely different matter. Been awhile since I did any distance shooting with 7.62x39, probably 2 or 3 years now. I do remember at 450ish yards the bullet drop was something like 5-6ft. Gotta lob'em in there, like rocks. Not what I'd call assassination appropriate, that's more 'miserable conscript in a ditch.' Trump is lucky he only seems to be attracting the ire of amateurs, so far.

An experienced patriot who knows how to plan and handle a sighted in .300Winmag? Different results I'd wager, and it would be just... like, idk, terrible. I guess.

It would be terrible because just about any other Republican would likely be more electable than Trump at this point. And every one of them would have no qualms about implementing Project 2025.

 

[pmv]

It would be terrible because just about any other Republican would likely be more electable than Trump at this point. And every one of them would have no qualms about implementing Project 2025.

An assassination of Trump would probably give a Republican successor a big boost in the polls as well.

 

[manly]

Agreed.



Except that political violence has a very long history in the US - it's how the country came into existence, after all (and, even bracketing-out the civil war, what was the ethnic-cleansing of the American Indians, the maintenance of slavery, and, later, the epidemic of lynchings, but political violence?) .

How many political assassinations and attempted-assassinations have there been now? They seem to have been a regular occurrence since George Washington's time.

Not to mention events like Greensboro or the incredibly-violent Labour disputes the US has experienced.

Saying it shouldn't have a place is fair comment, but it's hard not to roll one's eyes at the statement that it "has no place".

Your suggested verbiage has essentially the same meaning. Your reading is NOT at all the connotation.
Saying violence "has no place" does not mean it does not exist.

We agree just because a thing exists, has always existed, and will continue to exist doesn't mean you accept or condone it. And in specific cases such as political violence, you stand up to denounce it, even if that's the obvious position and you really don't gain anything from stating that. Like I said, the noteworthy thing here is that DJT is unlikely to ever be a decent human being because that's incredibly difficult for him.

We both know that if an "anarchist" or "antifa" tried to assassinate Biden or Candidate Harris, Trump would not be magnanimous about that. At least not without significant pressure from his team to appear presidential.

 

[pmv]

Your suggested verbiage has essentially the same meaning. Your reading is NOT at all the connotation.
Saying violence "has no place" does not mean it does not exist.

But it does seem to imply a starry-eyed view of what the US is (violence doesn't merely _exist_ in the US, it's been part of its fabric since the start). Which is something common to a lot of liberal Americans, who seem to harbour a lot of illusions about the true nature of their own country - what it's been since its inception.

 

[Zorba]

You’d think they could just go back to 2016 and tell Hillary to campaign in Michigan a bit more.

If they are time travelers that could explain the terrible weapon choices and execution, if they are coming back from a time after guns have been banned.

 

[HomerJS]

What law did the potential shooter break that justified the SS shooting at him first. Remember these are known laws at the time.

He was not on the golf property.
Open carry is legal in Florida.
Florida has permit less carry.
Was not aiming his gun at Trump.

The SS was not aware of his past record so how were they justified shooting at him first? IMO the shooter has a case.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

What law did the potential shooter break that justified the SS shooting at him first. Remember these are known laws at the time.

He was not on the golf property.
Open carry is legal in Florida.
Florida has permit less carry.
Was not aiming his gun at Trump.

The SS was not aware of his past record so how were they justified shooting at him first? IMO the shooter has a case.

Maybe they thought he was black? Mistaken identities happen, man.

 

[Viper1j]

Somebody should take this asshole out too.

Portage County sheriff: 'Write down the addresses' of Kamala Harris supporters who display yard signs​

Sheriff Bruce D. Zuchowski, who took office in 2021, made the remarks in Facebook posts shared to two separate accounts on the night of Sept. 13.



PORTAGE COUNTY, Ohio — Portage County's sheriff appeared to call for residents to record the addresses of residents who publicly display support for presidential candidate Kamala Harris.
Sheriff Bruce D. Zuchowski, who took office in 2021, made the remarks in Facebook posts shared to two separate accounts on the night of Sept. 13.

"When people ask me...What's gonna happen if the Flip - Flopping, Laughing Hyena Wins?? I say...write down all the addresses of the people who had her signs in their yards! Sooo...when the Illegal human "Locust" (which she supports!) Need places to live...We'll already have the addresses of the their New families...who supported their arrival!" Zuchowski wrote.

When people ask me...What's gonna happen if the Flip - Flopping, Laughing Hyena Wins?? I say...write down all the...
Posted by Sheriff Bruce D. Zuchowski on Friday, September 13, 2024

Zuchowski limited the comments on the post.
3News reached out to the sheriff's office for comment but did not receive a response back.

 

[trenchfoot]

How ironic it is that Trump instructs his supporters to resort to violence to solve the party's and his political problems and now he is on the receiving end of the very violence he regularly preaches to his disciples.

Fucked around and found out the hard way he was swinging a double edged sword that cuts both ways.

 

[kage69]

An assassination of Trump would probably give a Republican successor a big boost in the polls as well.

I'm not so sure of that, at least so far that it would affect the election results. The death of one treasonous, fascist asshole is not going to make millions of Americans suddenly not care about about losing their country and civil rights. We'd probably see big parties nationwide, "The biggest threat to democracy since the Civil War is gone, ceeeeel-librate tonight, C'MON!"

Women still mostly hate the guy. He thinks Taylor Swift's support is irrelevant, that she "won't move the needle." I guess someone neglected to inform that greasy dipshit that Swift commands crowds big enough to move seismograph needles, in multiple countries.

And then this morning, "I hate Taylor Swift." Hahaha, sounds like someone explained things to shithead.


Trump suddenly not being in the picture would lead to chaos in magaland. His hollow empire collapses while all his shiteating cronies (and family) turn on each other fighting for scraps and places of prominence. I wouldn't expect political success and advancement out of that.

 

[cytg111]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1835403813475570113

To be honest, that last line is hard to take seriously. I realise as a politician contending for high office she is pretty-much obliged to say that sort of thing, but...really? Seems to me that violence - particularly gun-violence - has a firmly-established place in America.

I read that as 99% tongue in cheek.

 

[cytg111]

58 year old guy. He went to Ukraine to help fight. So there’s likely the motive

Well you cant fault the math.

 

[kage69]

Somebody should take this asshole out too.

Portage County sheriff: 'Write down the addresses' of Kamala Harris supporters who display yard signs​

Sheriff Bruce D. Zuchowski, who took office in 2021, made the remarks in Facebook posts shared to two separate accounts on the night of Sept. 13.

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PORTAGE COUNTY, Ohio — Portage County's sheriff appeared to call for residents to record the addresses of residents who publicly display support for presidential candidate Kamala Harris.
Sheriff Bruce D. Zuchowski, who took office in 2021, made the remarks in Facebook posts shared to two separate accounts on the night of Sept. 13.

"When people ask me...What's gonna happen if the Flip - Flopping, Laughing Hyena Wins?? I say...write down all the addresses of the people who had her signs in their yards! Sooo...when the Illegal human "Locust" (which she supports!) Need places to live...We'll already have the addresses of the their New families...who supported their arrival!" Zuchowski wrote.


Zuchowski limited the comments on the post.
3News reached out to the sheriff's office for comment but did not receive a response back.

What an asshole, and spoken like a magat. He shouldn't have that job, obviously.

Up there on the list of things for a functioning government to attend to is doing something about America's entitled sheriff problem. Their delusions wrt Constitutional rights must be addressed and American communities need an effective way to remove sheriffs that are unfit for office.

 

[pmv]

What law did the potential shooter break that justified the SS shooting at him first. Remember these are known laws at the time.

He was not on the golf property.
Open carry is legal in Florida.
Florida has permit less carry.
Was not aiming his gun at Trump.

The SS was not aware of his past record so how were they justified shooting at him first? IMO the shooter has a case.

Was wondering the same thing. What are the rules in this sort of thing? If open carry is allowed, at what point is it considered to constitute a threat? When a firearm is pointed at someone? Was this gun barrel "poking out of the bushes" actually pointing at Trump or the SS?

 

[kage69]

I would like to see him claim the whole thing was a 2nd Amendment audit, just to see certain heads explode (no pun intended).

 

[Jaskalas]

You’d think they could just go back to 2016 and tell Hillary to campaign in Michigan a bit more.

A far better solution.
Cutting the head off the snake at this point is... pointless. MAGA is everyone who voted for him. It's a massive political / religious movement. "Leaders" like Vance will pop up out of the wood work to continue their crusade.

 

[Dave_5k]

I would like to see him claim the whole thing was a 2nd Amendment audit, just to see certain heads explode (no pun intended).

If he gets a competent attorney, and doesn't talk to police without them, I don't think they have any basis to charge him that has been revealed so far. Which just points out how completely messed up our gun laws are in the U.S.

 

[Brainonska511]

Sowing and reaping.

For years, they've fetishized guns and "Second Amendment Solutions" to political problems; they now get to reap.

 

[eelw]

Sowing and reaping.

For years, they've fetishized guns and "Second Amendment Solutions" to political problems; they now get to reap.

Imagine the faux outrage they’ll be if/when it goes to trial and he is found not guilty

 

[pmv]

I find the terminology of all this quite peculiar. So here's "the President" thanking God that "the President" is OK.

I get that former presidents are still referred to as "President" (weird though that is, in itself), but why do they still get the definite article? They can't all be the President, surely by definition only one of them is the President. The others are merely "Presidents" and any one of them would be "a President".

Surely he means "thank God that other President's OK"?




[Edit] I mean, no wonder Trump gets so confused as to whether Biden, Obama or Donald himself is currently in charge. The terminology really can't help when someone's as old and demented as Trump.

 

[Leeea]

What law did the potential shooter break that justified the SS shooting at him first. Remember these are known laws at the time.

He was not on the golf property.
Open carry is legal in Florida.
Florida has permit less carry.
Was not aiming his gun at Trump.

The SS was not aware of his past record so how were they justified shooting at him first? IMO the shooter has a case.

He did break the law though.

Multiple counts of littering.


You might think leniency should be in order because he was being shot at. However in Florida a person is expected to be prepared for the daily grind.