Trump-Putin meeting: Did they just put acid in the water supply?

[ivwshane]

Ah yes. Unfortunately, like other POTUS's who have done the same thing, we dont know what was shared. I would be willing to bet as a natural relationship with other countries we share quite a bit. So YUP he shared secrets.I know its easy to think it was damaging.

Citation.

 

[mikeymikec]

Citation.

I considered asking this already, but the only purpose such a request serves is to try and force blackangst1 to stick to facts rather than bollocks for ammunition. He asked for specifics, he was given specifics, then he downplayed it without giving any evidence. That tells you what you need to know.

That and he doesn't think Trump has done anything to hinder the investigation. LOL! We've got ourselves another Baghdad Bob here.

 

[MooseNSquirrel]

Ah yes. Unfortunately, like other POTUS's who have done the same thing, we dont know what was shared. I would be willing to bet as a natural relationship with other countries we share quite a bit. So YUP he shared secrets.I know its easy to think it was damaging.

Haha classic whataboutism...please name another President that shared classifed info with an enemy?

 

[esquared]

Kelly lobbied Republicans to rebuke Trump after Putin press conference: report

http://thehill.com/homenews/adminis...ns-to-rebuke-trump-for-putin-press-conference

"
White House chief of staff John Kelly reportedly gave GOP lawmakers the green light to rebuke President Trump's controversial remarks from his joint press conference with Russian President Vladimir Putin.

Three sources told Vanity Fair on the condition of anonymity that Kelly was furious after Trump stood with Putin during their summit in Helsinki and sided with his denial that Russia meddled in the 2016 presidential election."


From The Week:
http://theweek.com/speedreads/78545...ly-furious-over-trumps-press-conference-putin

Trump himself was surprised by the public's negative reaction to the press conference, but by the time he returned to the United States he was enraged that few people were defending him. "This was the nightmare scenario," one Republican close to the White House told Sherman.

I mean trump is dumber than a bag of hammers. This doofus actually thought he was doing good.
<smh>

 

[mikeymikec]

Hmm, we haven't had a firing in a while have we.

 

[Younigue]

Kelly lobbied Republicans to rebuke Trump after Putin press conference: report

http://thehill.com/homenews/adminis...ns-to-rebuke-trump-for-putin-press-conference

"
White House chief of staff John Kelly reportedly gave GOP lawmakers the green light to rebuke President Trump's controversial remarks from his joint press conference with Russian President Vladimir Putin.

Three sources told Vanity Fair on the condition of anonymity that Kelly was furious after Trump stood with Putin during their summit in Helsinki and sided with his denial that Russia meddled in the 2016 presidential election."


From The Week:
http://theweek.com/speedreads/78545...ly-furious-over-trumps-press-conference-putin

Trump himself was surprised by the public's negative reaction to the press conference, but by the time he returned to the United States he was enraged that few people were defending him. "This was the nightmare scenario," one Republican close to the White House told Sherman.

I mean trump is dumber than a bag of hammers. This doofus actually thought he was doing good.
<smh>

Not at all. He expects full support even when he betrays the country. He really wants to be a dictator if he's going to have to be the country's leader.

I thought that was clear?

 

[dank69]

Ah yes. Unfortunately, like other POTUS's who have done the same thing, we dont know what was shared. I would be willing to bet as a natural relationship with other countries we share quite a bit. So YUP he shared secrets.I know its easy to think it was damaging.

I, for one, am totally surprised this asshole went from condemning Trump's actions to defending giving up top secret assets of our allies to Russian officials. No big deal since other Presidents have done it. I'd love to know what other Presidents have done it btw.

 

[ivwshane]

I, for one, am totally surprised this asshole went from condemning Trump's actions to defending giving up top secret assets of our allies to Russian officials. No big deal since other Presidents have done it. I'd love to know what other Presidents have done it btw.

Good luck with that. I already asked him for a citation, I'm not holding my breath.

 

[compuwiz1]

I, for one, am totally surprised this asshole went from condemning Trump's actions to defending giving up top secret assets of our allies to Russian officials. No big deal since other Presidents have done it. I'd love to know what other Presidents have done it btw.

Now-now...give the man time to do his research. I'm sure he'll come back and shit you something pretty.

 

[whm1974]

Not at all. He expects full support even when he betrays the country. He really wants to be a dictator if he's going to have to be the country's leader.

I thought that was clear?

I hope that in the future there are steps taken to prevent folks such as Trump from holding office and to remove them if they fall though the cracks.

 

[compuwiz1]

I hope that in the future there are steps taken to prevent folks such as Trump from holding office and to remove them if they fall though the cracks.

Being eligible to become president only requires a pretty thin resume'
Maybe it's time that changes.

 

[ivwshane]

I hope that in the future there are steps taken to prevent folks such as Trump from holding office and to remove them if they fall though the cracks.

We already have something. Its called the electoral college and it failed spectacularly.

 

[ivwshane]

Being eligible to become president only requires a pretty thin resume'
Maybe it's time that changes.

No thanks. I'd rather not have a choice of only billionaires to choose from.

 

[compuwiz1]

No thanks. I'd rather not have a choice of only billionaires to choose from.

What I was saying is that the eligibility requirements aren't that stringent.

"No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty-five years, and been fourteen years a resident within the United States."

Doesn't require much more than that. A convicted felon could probably run and possibly be elected.

More rules should be:
No previous felony convictions
No bankruptcies
No business interests, past or present, in foreign countries
No loans, past or present, from any foreign banks
No past or present foreign agency
No past or present lobbyists

If the above were law, there would be no president Trump.

And, now we all laugh, because we know that a bill passing, making those legal requirements would never happen. It would nullify most members of congress' ability to ever run for high office. Think about that one and then see the problem.

 

[yllus]

What I was saying is that the eligibility requirements aren't that stringent.

"No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty-five years, and been fourteen years a resident within the United States."

Doesn't require much more than that. A convicted felon could probably run and possibly be elected.

More rules should be:
No previous felony convictions
No bankruptcies
No business interests, past or present, in foreign countries
No loans, past or present, from any foreign banks
No past or present foreign agency
No past or present lobbyists

If the above were law, there would be no president Trump.

And, now we all laugh, because we know that a bill passing, making those legal requirements would never happen. It would nullify most members of congress' ability to ever run for high office. Think about that one and then see the problem.

I think that gets a little too restrictive; simply creating a law that you must divulge your last 10 years of tax returns to run would likely effectively rule the shadiest characters out.

On the experience front, it seems absolutely critical to have a person spend time in a state or federal Congress, executive (governor) or legal branch (judge) for a full term or two before being eligible for President. This is not a job a layperson can walk into; you need to have something of a career in public service. And it gives the public a bit of a resume to look over before taking a vote.

 

[HomerJS]

Ah yes. Unfortunately, like other POTUS's who have done the same thing, we dont know what was shared. I would be willing to bet as a natural relationship with other countries we share quite a bit. So YUP he shared secrets.I know its easy to think it was damaging.

We do know what was shared. The originator of the information confirmed.

Again I will ask the question you have still refused/avoiding to answer. Do you believe him when he claimed misspeaking? I've already answered your question.

 

[BonzaiDuck]

I think that gets a little too restrictive; simply creating a law that you must divulge your last 10 years of tax returns to run would likely effectively rule the shadiest characters out.

On the experience front, it seems absolutely critical to have a person spend time in a state or federal Congress, executive (governor) or legal branch (judge) for a full term or two before being eligible for President. This is not a job a layperson can walk into; you need to have something of a career in public service. And it gives the public a bit of a resume to look over before taking a vote.

That's spot on. IRS requires taxpayers to keep 3 years of returns in event of a routine sampled audit; 7 years if an audit turned up some problem. Personally, I've kept some 20+ years of returns. Whether the IRS could provide records of more recent returns for a candidate in the event that the candidate didn't have them, I cannot say. These days -- and since electronic filing became popular -- there's no doubt that IRS would have an electronic record, even as the paper documents are shipped to Wright-Patterson AFB for disposal.

I simply refuse to accept Trump as President because he deliberately avoided making his returns public. If the "Base" thinks this is appropriate, they should be locked up in some state mental institution. You don't do business that way. Do you go out and buy a washing machine or automobile without some sort of warranty agreement? Do you require that people give you paperwork for a transaction that involves your hard-earned money?

The rest of it just demonstrates plain ignorance, which the ignorant will read as "merely a political criticism" if they can compose the words like that. The "Bid-niss-man Myth." In an administration like Trump's there is a market for ignorance, venality, corruptibility, duplicity, and sycophancy. There are markets everywhere for everything. There is a market for people with public service experience -- in city, county, and state governments and at the federal level. That market supplies an abundance of talent, without excluding "bid-niss" experience. But this is unsatisfactory for the illustrious armchair geniuses and chuckleheads who elected the Trumpie Filth.

And this is only one reason -- avoidance of anyone with actual practical experience in government at any level -- for this disaster of electing an Asshole sandwich.

They also need to address the gerrymandering issue with regard to legislative elections. The Democrats or any other opposition should be able to develop a pro-active agenda that will prevent this from happening again. But it was a disastrous mistake, for which the collective Base will take absolutely no responsibility.

 

[K1052]

I think that gets a little too restrictive; simply creating a law that you must divulge your last 10 years of tax returns to run would likely effectively rule the shadiest characters out.

On the experience front, it seems absolutely critical to have a person spend time in a state or federal Congress, executive (governor) or legal branch (judge) for a full term or two before being eligible for President. This is not a job a layperson can walk into; you need to have something of a career in public service. And it gives the public a bit of a resume to look over before taking a vote.

I'd probably tack on a divestiture requirement too. None of this Trump "letting his kids run things" bullshit. If businesspeople want to run for the highest office in the land then they have to give up their interests, nobody is making them do it. Ditto for Senate confirmable posts like the cabinet.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Being eligible to become president only requires a pretty thin resume'
Maybe it's time that changes.

Simple thing I think we could all agree upon is tax disclosure for 7 years give or take. Maybe a little more maybe a little less. IRS could even be tasked to prepare them in a standard format for publication.

 

[BonzaiDuck]

I'd probably tack on a divestiture requirement too. None of this Trump "letting his kids run things" bullshit. If businesspeople want to run for the highest office in the land then they have to give up their interests, nobody is making them do it. Ditto for Senate confirmable posts like the cabinet.

Absolutely. Like the estate tax -- which should get a refresh and overhaul of restoration if we can sweep out the Filth -- there should be some threshold of Net Value for assets beyond which there is a lock-tight divestiture program. This notion that "he has his own money" ignores the fact that someone would use public office to protect, augment and consolidate "his own money."

November may the only sure chance of fixing this. The longer President Asshole stays in the White House, the more damage will be done to everyone. Everyone here in the states; everyone in NATO and a good part of the world. Failing that, you will see mass protests explode into a cycle of violence and repression.

 

[blackangst1]

Citation.

Posted earlier.

 

[blackangst1]

Haha classic whataboutism...please name another President that shared classifed info with an enemy?

Unless you believe when Putin met with Clinton, Bush, and Obama and no secrets were shared....you dont...do you?

 

[blackangst1]

We do know what was shared. The originator of the information confirmed.

Again I will ask the question you have still refused/avoiding to answer. Do you believe him when he claimed misspeaking? I've already answered your question.

Since comprehension doesnt seem to be your strong point, Ill say another way: I have no idea.

 

[interchange]

Since comprehension doesnt seem to be your strong point, Ill say another way: I have no idea.

What do you make of the bolded words in Trump's statement?

"I accept our intelligence community's conclusion that Russia's meddling in the 2016 election took place. Could be other people also. A lot of people out there."

 

[blackangst1]

What do you make of the bolded words in Trump's statement?

"I accept our intelligence community's conclusion that Russia's meddling in the 2016 election took place. Could be other people also. A lot of people out there."

I think its nonsense.