You mean our allies like the top 10 recipients of Russian gas? Or maybe like France (our "ally) who partnered with Putin to buy a 10% stake in Russia's arctic gas project?
Like that you mean?
What the fuck is there to "negotiate"? We should be punishing them and then waiting for them to negotiate. We've seen that economic sanctions are working very well. We should shutdown Putin and all the other high level Russian officials (and the oligarchs) financially, make it impossible for them or their families and their corrupt partners to do business anywhere that we can (and work deals to arrest and extradite them should they decide to travel to our allies). Seize their assets, and penalize groups that worked with them, while expanding the investigations into them.
Do you think Trump has played a major role in causing the inaction?
and you believed him??
His story is he misspoke one word yet he gave an interview reaffirming what he said next to Putin before reading the hostage statement. That was a Charlottesville redux
How can both be true??
So, blame Obama, right?
Blame the people who fell for it all. Blame the GOP propagandists who've spent decades turning people's minds to mush.
Let's face it- a person had to believe in a whole shitpile of lies to believe in Donald Trump.
Same here the question is why. Perhaps Obama could have done more ( I give that to you out of forwarding the conversation) but Trump has actually hindered the investigation and tried to delegitamize it on numerous occations.Since January, absolutely!
How much "earlier" did the issue need to be addressed?
Would before the election have made a difference?
Well, there's no time machine close at hand so that leaves us with today with a traitor at the helm. Agreed?
Kept it quiet from the voting public? How did that impact the investigation. If he made it public it would habe zero impact on what the IC was doing and only would have tainted the voting populist against Trump. Kind of how they were tainted by all the buttery males right?Try to catch up man. The Obama admin intentionally kept it quiet other than NOW the claim Obama secretly met with Putin to tell him to stop (LMFAO). So yes.
Traitor is a pretty strong word. Im not buying that. Traitor means he is willfully giving USA power or secrets to another. I just dont see that. In my mind there are two possibilities.
The first, is the Kremlin has something HUGE (or 'UGE) on Trump or his family, and Trump is simply conceding to prevent the public rel;ease of that info. As of now, there is ZERO proof of that.
The second, and most probable, is that Trump is bumbling his way through foreign policy, trying to appease everyone so he doesnt have to make major decisions involving our military.
I mean, what is his gail from satiating Putin? To what end?
Look. Trump is an egotistical ass. He likes to project power through verbal force (although he's not the best at that...I like Roosevent's policy of speak softly and carry a big stick. Thats not Trump). And as much as he likes to project power and creating drama, I think its to appease his ego. I certainly dont believe he would do it to intentionally destroy the country that made him wealthy. Why burn your own house down?
So back to your comment. I dont see him as a traitor.
... I certainly dont believe he would do it to intentionally destroy the country that made him wealthy. Why burn your own house down?...
So he's compromised or incompetent. I didn't see him appeasing our Nato allies, either. Far from it.
Same here the question is why. Perhaps Obama could have done more ( I give that to you out of forwarding the conversation) but Trump has actually hindered the investigation and tried to delegitamize it on numerous occations.
Well, yeh, but it would have been all different had Obama said it... in some Trumpian post-truth realm.
The truth is that they were too busy burning the witch to pay attention to stuff like that at the time. Didn't matter one bit.
Russia has been financing Trump and Family for decades, because he couldn't get funding here in the US.
Russia made him wealthy.
So he's compromised or incompetent. I didn't see him appeasing our Nato allies, either. Far from it.
Still didn't answer how you got from his statement that he had changed his tune.Traitor is a pretty strong word. Im not buying that. Traitor means he is willfully giving USA power or secrets to another. I just dont see that. In my mind there are two possibilities.
The first, is the Kremlin has something HUGE (or 'UGE) on Trump or his family, and Trump is simply conceding to prevent the public rel;ease of that info. As of now, there is ZERO proof of that.
The second, and most probable, is that Trump is bumbling his way through foreign policy, trying to appease everyone so he doesnt have to make major decisions involving our military.
I mean, what is his gail from satiating Putin? To what end?
Look. Trump is an egotistical ass. He likes to project power through verbal force (although he's not the best at that...I like Roosevent's policy of speak softly and carry a big stick. Thats not Trump). And as much as he likes to project power and creating drama, I think its to appease his ego. I certainly dont believe he would do it to intentionally destroy the country that made him wealthy. Why burn your own house down?
So back to your comment. I dont see him as a traitor.
Kept it quiet from the voting public? How did that impact the investigation. If he made it public it would habe zero impact on what the IC was doing and only would have tainted the voting populist against Trump. Kind of how they were tainted by all the buttery males right?
Still didn't answer how you got from his statement that he had changed his tune.
Yes, Trump is corrupt to his core. He never had any good intentions toward any one but himself (and to his boy Puti). A country that made him wealthy then wouldn't touch him with a thousand for pole so his loyalties (using your theory) would then switch to the country keeping him wealthy. Russia.
He is bumbling. But he has not a single redeeming quality. He cares nothing for his base... They're not wealthy or famous. I'd go so far as to say he loathes his base. He certainly feels the need for a more thorough, aggressive "Silkwood" shower after interacting with them. Any faith or idea you have of him that grants him any leeway as a decent, loyal, caring human being is misplaced.
He is absolutely a traitor. If you don't see treason, you don't see reason bub.
To protect his own (those who have been indicted). I honestly dont believe theres anything directly tying Trump to collusion with Russia. Whether its him being smart enough to insulate himself, or him basically telling his staff to do whatever it takes but dont tell me, theres no implication to him directly, at least not yet. If there were, he wouldve fired Rosenstein, and thus, firing Mueller. Anyone with that much to lose would. But he hasnt. He has NOT hindered the investigation, not really. He's said alot, but meh..its words. And I, like many others, look forward to Muellers findings. Ive said numerous times, in numerous threads.
Just because I dont hop on "trash everything Trump" wagon doesnt mean I support him. I support many of his ideas, but not all. I dont think anyone supports a politicians on 100% of everything.
Do they?
I don’t get why you even have to defend him.
If he’d just released his taxes and financial documents like every other candidate we would know he didn’t have any financial ties to Russia
If he had just vetted his cabinet a bit better like ever other President you wouldn’t have to defend against so many reminders that a half dozen or more all forgot they had meetings with the Russian officials.
Finally like you said if he was guilty he would have dumped Rosenstein or the head of the FBI.....
So you think he knows everything Mueller has? He has been hyper critical of Mueller. if you don't think he hasn't been doing everything in his power to discredit both Muller and Rosenstein then you have blinders on. You don't think his witch hunt campaign has hinderd the investigation?To protect his own (those who have been indicted). I honestly dont believe theres anything directly tying Trump to collusion with Russia. Whether its him being smart enough to insulate himself, or him basically telling his staff to do whatever it takes but dont tell me, theres no implication to him directly, at least not yet. If there were, he wouldve fired Rosenstein, and thus, firing Mueller. Anyone with that much to lose would. But he hasnt. He has NOT hindered the investigation, not really. He's said alot, but meh..its words. And I, like many others, look forward to Muellers findings. Ive said numerous times, in numerous threads.
Just because I dont hop on "trash everything Trump" wagon doesnt mean I support him. I support many of his ideas, but not all. I dont think anyone supports a politicians on 100% of everything.
Do they?
Cut it out! Obama was not a traitor but even if that were the case there is no god damn time machine to go stop him. Trump openly praises Putin. You said it yourself he didn't handle himself well a.k.a. Betrayed his country. Trump is a criminal, entirely corrupt. Struggles with diplomacy... Because he's not well spoken? Is that your theory? He's not well spoken but ALSO what he says is despicable, often criminal and traitorous. Dumbing yourself down day by day by day to excuse Trump's disgusting behavior will never be the right way to go. He's a cancer. And so are his cultists. As well as the complicit and I'm sure we'll discover several are traitors, GOP.So youre defending Obama having "secret talks" with Putin, but not Trump? Am I reading that right?
So you think he knows everything Mueller has? He has been hyper critical of Mueller. if you don't think he hasn't been doing everything in his power to discredit both Muller and Rosenstein then you have blinders on. You don't think his witch hunt campaign has hinderd the investigation?
Probably.Wow. OK. Guess we'll agree to disagree. Guess its time to put me back on ignore