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Chiropteran

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Either you made up your own definition of corruption where people making money after they've been in office somehow counts or you lied about the Clintons. Either you're stupid or you're a liar. Maybe both, but either way you have totally shit your pants in this thread.

Again, I was taking what you said. You seemed to think Trump running a business is corruption, full stop. No bribery has been shown, so I had to assume your definition of "corruption" merely meant doing business while holding the office of the president.

If you meant something else, please elaborate!
 

fskimospy

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Again, I was taking what you said. You seemed to think Trump running a business is corruption, full stop. No bribery has been shown, so I had to assume your definition of "corruption" merely meant doing business while holding the office of the president.

Neither Clinton would have met this definition, meaning either your previous posts accusing others of a double standard were stupid or you're lying now.
 

HomerJS

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That wasn't actually his paycheck...it was a forged copy of Obama's birth certificate retrieved from a mayonnaise jar kept on Funk and Wagnalls' porch!
Anyone get a close look at that check? Is date correct? Someone get a copy of the Park Service accounting records so we can see the deposit. For all we know Trump ordered them not to cash.

And yes the number of Trump lies warrants these kind of questions.
 

Chiropteran

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Neither Clinton would have met this definition, meaning either your previous posts accusing others of a double standard were stupid or you're lying now.

Providing a service for money is certainly a business. Speeches qualify. You must really be doing some serious mental acrobatics if you think otherwise.
 

fskimospy

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Providing a service for money is certainly a business. Speeches qualify. You must really be doing some serious mental acrobatics if you think otherwise.

For like the fifth time, neither Clinton got money for speeches while in public office. How are you not understanding this.
 
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Anyone get a close look at that check? Is date correct? Someone get a copy of the Park Service accounting records so we can see the deposit. For all we know Trump ordered them not to cash.

And yes the number of Trump lies warrants these kind of questions.
In your mind...yes, I can now see that this kind of claptrap would trouble you deeply.
 

Chiropteran

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For like the fifth time, neither Clinton got money for speeches while in public office. How are you not understanding this.

OK. Now to complete the comparison, what service is Trump providing, personally, for money, while in office?

Hint: he is not running his hotels personally.

If you actually look at things with an unbiased mind, I think you will find that Hillary's indirect profit through Bill's speeches is the exact same thing as Trump's indirect profit due to business ownership.
 

fskimospy

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In your mind...yes, I can now see that this kind of claptrap would trouble you deeply.

I mean the last time they used a press conference to show Trump providing some documents it's reasonably likely all of the documents in question were blank. Not proven, but reasonably likely.

http://www.snopes.com/trump-busted-using-empty-folders/

While the majority of the sheets were hidden, some of them were visible – and there was no sign of page numbers or the sticky notes that lawyers tend to use to mark places in large documents.

The paper itself also appeared to be the wrong size, printed on A4 rather than legal size sheets, and appears to have fallen like fresh sheets of paper. And the folders themselves were also entirely blank, despite Mr. Trump suggesting that each of them related to a different business that Mr. Trump was moving himself away from.
 

mect

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For like the fifth time, neither Clinton got money for speeches while in public office. How are you not understanding this.
Based on the reading comprehension he's demonstrated in this thread, I doubt he has the mental capacity. He's already demonstrated he doesn't understand the difference between ownership and management. He's demonstrated that he thinks one spouse shares the same job as the other spouse. He's demonstrated a basic lack of understanding of time, and that timing of events can influence whether an action is ethical or not. Basically, his intellectual ability seems to be at the level of, "If it says something good about Trump, its true, if it says something bad about Trump, its false. If it says something good about a democrat, its false, if it says something bad about a democrat, its true."
 

[DHT]Osiris

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OK. Now to complete the comparison, what service is Trump providing, personally, for money, while in office?

Hint: he is not running his hotels personally.

If you actually look at things with an unbiased mind, I think you will find that Hillary's indirect profit through Bill's speeches is the exact same thing as Trump's indirect profit due to business ownership.

Except Hillary isn't President, Donald is. If Hillary had been making scratch from Bill's speeches while she was President, you might have an argument.

EDIT: And he doesn't have to run his businesses personally to get an exorbitant amount of profit during/after his Presidency from well-placed decisions (either from the side of his position in Government, or the side of his position in business).
 

fskimospy

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OK. Now to complete the comparison, what service is Trump providing, personally, for money, while in office?

Hint: he is not running his hotels personally.

Hint: it doesn't matter if he's running his hotels personally. Again, if I own a McDonalds down the street that you are the manager for who gets the money when someone buys a cheeseburger? Me, not you.

I seriously do not understand what you are not understanding here.

If you actually look at things with an unbiased mind, I think you will find that Hillary's indirect profit through Bill's speeches is the exact same thing as Trump's indirect profit due to business ownership.

Are you fucking kidding me.

It's not indirect profit due to business ownership, it's 100% direct profit due to business ownership. It is a privately held company where the sole beneficiary is Donald J. Trump. That means every single dollar in profit the Trump Organization makes is his and his alone. The idea that it's the same thing as someone's spouse having a job is absolutely ridiculous.
 

thraashman

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There's no way Chiropteran is being serious. Nobody that can figure out how to open a internet browser could really be this fucking stupid, can they?
 
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fskimospy

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Based on the reading comprehension he's demonstrated in this thread, I doubt he has the mental capacity. He's already demonstrated he doesn't understand the difference between ownership and management. He's demonstrated that he thinks one spouse shares the same job as the other spouse. He's demonstrated a basic lack of understanding of time, and that timing of events can influence whether an action is ethical or not.

It is kind of amazing.

Basically, his intellectual ability seems to be at the level of, "If it says something good about Trump, its true, if it says something bad about Trump, its false. If it says something good about a democrat, its false, if it says something bad about a democrat, its true."

I did like that part where he considered CNN both 'fake news' and a credible source to cite, all apparently based on whether or not CNN said something he liked.
 

Chiropteran

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Except Hillary isn't President, Donald is. If Hillary had been making scratch from Bill's speeches while she was President, you might have an argument.

So you admit Hillary is corrupt, but a corrupt Secretary of State isn't as bad as a corrupt president, is that it?
 

[DHT]Osiris

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So you admit Hillary is corrupt, but a corrupt Secretary of State isn't as bad as a corrupt president, is that it?

No, they're both as rotten as a month-old-banana, and neither is/was fit to run any nation, much less America.

What I'm stating is that your original statement had a false equivalency, that Hillary's family accepting income from the activities of another party within the family doing his own shit was the same as the President, while in a position to be making extremely lucrative deals with very specific information, running (or 'shadow running', whatever) his company(ies).
 

fskimospy

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UNPROVEN means UNPROVEN.

And 'reasonably likely' means 'reasonably likely'.

I'm sure you can come up with tons of good reasons as to why those legal documents separating Trump from his businesses were:
1) Not on legal paper.
2) In entirely blank and unlabeled folders.
3) Showing no signs of any sticky notes or anything else.

I'm sure there was also a really good reason why the administration repeatedly refused press requests to even look at any of the contents of any folder too.

lol. Nothing about it makes sense. The most likely answer is that they were fakes.
 

Chiropteran

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Are you fucking kidding me.

It's not indirect profit due to business ownership, it's 100% direct profit due to business ownership. It is a privately held company where the sole beneficiary is Donald J. Trump. .

Do you have a source for that?

My understanding is that every business, profit only comes after expenses. The cost of the building, loans used to renovate it, wages paid, consumables such as food and drink, all come first. Not to mention taxes. And then of course is the absolutely absurd assumption that if Trump wasn't president, nobody would be staying in the hotel. Of course that is absolutely absurd, it could be filled just exactly as it is today in the crazy fantasy alternate reality where Hillary won, we would never know.

In any case, it's not even close to 100% pure profit.


In Truth, Trump was making hundreds of thousands of dollars a year. He gave that job up to become president.
 
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And 'reasonably likely' means 'reasonably likely'.

I'm sure you can come up with tons of good reasons as to why those legal documents separating Trump from his businesses were:
1) Not on legal paper.
2) In entirely blank and unlabeled folders.
3) Showing no signs of any sticky notes or anything else.

I'm sure there was also a really good reason why the administration repeatedly refused press requests to even look at any of the contents of any folder too.

lol. Nothing about it makes sense. The most likely answer is that they were fakes.
The reality here is that you don't know. Why don't you just stick to facts for a change instead of wading into this kind of horseshit innuendo? It makes you look pathetic.
 

[DHT]Osiris

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Almost spilled my drink. You are so fucking dumb I can't control myself when I read your posts.

"Your honor, the speeding ticket is invalid: it wasn't provided on a standard TOPS legal pad!"

Technically, a speeding ticket probably would be invalid if it wasn't presented on the appropriate legal document (whatever the PD uses for 'document number 51235').
 

fskimospy

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Almost spilled my drink. You are so fucking dumb I can't control myself when I read your posts.

"Your honor, the speeding ticket is invalid: it wasn't provided on a standard TOPS legal pad!"

There are not enough facepalms. Documents are not invalid if they aren't printed on legal paper, but to have that quantity of legal documents, especially about real estate, and not have a single one be on legal paper strains credulity.
 

mikeymikec

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IMO discussing anything pertaining to Trump or the Republican party on P&N is kinda pointless, because all you need to do is ask yourself the question:

If Trump is proven to have lied or gone back on his word, will any of his supporters here actually admit and condemn such actions, or will they deflect, make false equivalences, or say they don't care, as usual?
 
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