Trump refuses to provide proof salary donated as promised

[kage69]

Wrong.....

How is the GOP healthcare bill ANYTHING like what Trump promised to do? In case you've forgotten it was going to cost people less, provide coverage for everyone and do more than than the ACA.

Bringing up facts to a trumptard. Heh, oh you...

 

[mikeymikec]

Wrong.....

How is the GOP healthcare bill ANYTHING like what Trump promised to do? In case you've forgotten it was going to cost people less, provide coverage for everyone and do more than than the ACA.

"and you're going to end up with great healthcare at a fraction of the price, and that's going to take place IMMEDIATELY after we go in okay, IMMEDIATELY. Fast. Quick."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35T9jC_MASQ&feature=youtu.be&t=141

 

[trenchfoot]

The Party of No being stuck between making good on Trump's false promises and lies to the working class (expanding gov't) and their innate compunction to shower the very wealthy with more tax cuts while shrinking gov't is, in a very narrowly defined way, absolutely hilarious.

 

[zinfamous]

Have obstinate Trump supporters/neo-fascists been raised on lead-tainted water?

there is something going on here beyond simple human tendencies toward confirmation bias. There is this dedicated refusal to engage in honest discourse, in honest, objective, fact-based reality that is beyond anything in recent memory.

Apparently, though, this kind of behavior is very common, historically, when society is faced with actual demographic and social upheaval: Great Depression, Wars, things like this. Extreme populism and obstinate wagon-circling to defend one's personal righteousness and blame the evils of the world on "all the others." This has happened repeatedly, so it isn't new.

What is unique, here, is that it actually came about on a cascade of lies about the realities of the world we are facing--things actually aren't nearly that catastrophic for the vast majority of the country. A handful of perennial punching bags in the typical parts of the country, however, just got really angry and, somehow, managed to convince a great swatch of surban-angsty teenagers that their world is doomed if they don't elect this lying, orange, Mussolini over-boiled vegetable as their Great Leader.

Truly fascinating, how smattering of legit, under-employed blue collar folks in forgotten and under-served communities rode a wave of long-hair, over-privileged suburban basement dweller angst to the promised land of, well, far greater misery for their situation.

 

[glenn1]

Just reviewed 3 contracts...all used A4.

The essence of ATPN right here - a thread ostensibly about Trump refusing a salary has devolved into an argument about office supplies.

 

[Victorian Gray]

You are going to feel pretty stupid when the next version is voted into law.

No, I live in Canada where we have a single payer system. I dealt with a stage 4 cancer several years ago and it cost me roughly $400 out of pocket expense for some medications. I doubt that I'll feel stupid no matter how badly the Republicans continue to screw fools like you.

 

[ivwshane]

No, I live in Canada where we have a single payer system. I dealt with a stage 4 cancer several years ago and it cost me roughly $400 out of pocket expense for some medications. I doubt that I'll feel stupid no matter how badly the Republicans continue to screw fools like you.

Yeah but you had to wait in line for an appointment! In America, you would have been seen a lot quicker!










You then would have died or gone bankrupt because of the outrageous costs associated with treating cancer. But hey! At least you wouldn't have had to wait!





/s

 

[Victorian Gray]

Yeah but you had to wait in line for an appointment! In America, you would have been seen a lot quicker!










You then would have died or gone bankrupt because of the outrageous costs associated with treating cancer. But hey! At least you wouldn't have had to wait!





/s

(Not for you as i saw the /s )

Sorry to disappoint the peanut gallery out there (nah, not really) but roughly 2 months from final diagnosis to treatment (included 1 month healing time for my mouth due to having to have all my teeth removed - also covered btw)

If anyone is interested, the agency that provides treatment in British Columbia.

http://www.bccancer.bc.ca/our-services/centres-clinics/vancouver-centre

 

[ivwshane]

(Not for you as i saw the /s )

Sorry to disappoint the peanut gallery out there (nah, not really) but roughly 2 months from final diagnosis to treatment (included 1 month healing time for my mouth due to having to have all my teeth removed - also covered btw)

If anyone is interested, the agency that provides treatment in British Columbia.

http://www.bccancer.bc.ca/our-services/centres-clinics/vancouver-centre

That's sounds pretty damn quick to me!

 

[kage69]

(Not for you as i saw the /s )

Sorry to disappoint the peanut gallery out there (nah, not really) but roughly 2 months from final diagnosis to treatment (included 1 month healing time for my mouth due to having to have all my teeth removed - also covered btw)

If anyone is interested, the agency that provides treatment in British Columbia.

http://www.bccancer.bc.ca/our-services/centres-clinics/vancouver-centre

Damn, I'm sorry to hear that Vic That was from the chemo right? That is some impressive turn around, you're a lucky guy. Hope you are in the clear.

Over here I'm afraid it's going to take a bit more suffering on the part of the middle class voters before things can really change for the better. Their own political dogma hasn't bitten them in the ass enough. The town hall scene here shows this has finally started.

 

[bshole]

No, I live in Canada where we have a single payer system. I dealt with a stage 4 cancer several years ago and it cost me roughly $400 out of pocket expense for some medications. I doubt that I'll feel stupid no matter how badly the Republicans continue to screw fools like you.

My wife had cancer 3 times and it is real shit show (she ultimately lost her tongue and her immune system was demolished by chemo/radiation). I am happy that you are better now and hope you do not have to face it again.

 

[Victorian Gray]

That's sounds pretty damn quick to me!

Yes, the wait time issues that our system has in some areas tend to be way overblown. Our system isn't perfect by any means but, for the most part, I tend to think it works pretty well as do most Canadians.

 

[stormkroe]

(Not for you as i saw the /s )

Sorry to disappoint the peanut gallery out there (nah, not really) but roughly 2 months from final diagnosis to treatment (included 1 month healing time for my mouth due to having to have all my teeth removed - also covered btw)

If anyone is interested, the agency that provides treatment in British Columbia.

http://www.bccancer.bc.ca/our-services/centres-clinics/vancouver-centre

For all my complaining and bad experiences with minor to middle-serious issues, when things get real that system really shines. I think Canadian experiences have caused quite a bit of havoc for perception of the ACA. Anecdotally, I've seen tons of admittedly young US left (not the PnNH.Ds of course) that seemed to think it was 'free healthcare' like Canada, not realizing up north it's baked in to your payroll and purchases. There are tons of the same folks on the right that think single payer is the worst thing ever, maybe because of the same false equivalency.
Anyway, glad you lived where you did at the time, that your family/friends didn't lose you, and I hope you've had no lasting problems from the ordeal.

 

[Victorian Gray]

Damn, I'm sorry to hear that Vic That was from the chemo right? That is some impressive turn around, you're a lucky guy. Hope you are in the clear.

Over here I'm afraid it's going to take a bit more suffering on the part of the middle class voters before things can really change for the better. Their own political dogma hasn't bitten them in the ass enough. The town hall scene here shows this has finally started.

The dental stuff was due to the radiation side of things. The cancer was in my throat and had moved into the lymph nodes on the same side of my neck. The radiation treatment affects the bones in the jaw with a strong possibility of developing osteonecrosis. They strongly recommended removing all my teeth and I ended up agreeing with them. It sucks but what ya gonna do.

Just had my 5 year visit a couple of weeks ago and was declared cancer free and told to go away and not bother them anymore.

66 (tomorrow) and cancer free sounds good to me.

As for the US, I'm not sure I see any road to something like single payer.

 

[Victorian Gray]

My wife had cancer 3 times and it is real shit show (she ultimately lost her tongue and her immune system was demolished by chemo/radiation). I am happy that you are better now and hope you do not have to face it again.

That cancer shit is nasty. Not sure that there is anything much worse than your own body betraying you like that. Sounds like she survived I hope? A harder road than mine but we do what we need to to survive. Good on both of you for getting through what sounds like a horrific ordeal.

I was lucky in that being up here I didn't have to deal with any insurance issues/stresses. All I had to deal with was getting through the shit and, hopefully, getting better. It makes a big difference.

 

[stormkroe]

Imagine a person that no one had ever heard of was on every major TV station for a year, taking tests and otherwise demonstrating remarkable intelligence, especially in the medical field. That man or woman was then allowed to address the nation to explain the mechanics of single payer without any labels, immediately after which all social media and news were shut off to allow for a vote.
Without the influence of talking points or spin, the only people not voting single payer over the historical US health system are probably also trying to figure out how to charge $12,000 per for their patent on insulin.