Trump refuses to provide proof salary donated as promised

[Hayabusa Rider]

It's snowing here.

If you want to proclaim you hold everyone to the same standard I'm not going to take the time to argue one way or another. I am pointing out the hypocrisy of the Trump Derangement Syndrome devotees who are very, very willing to operate under a double standard. You are more than bright enough to comprehend that.

We survived eight years of 0bama and we'll survive Trump. I survived Carter and that was pretty much the worst time imaginable. Presidents come and president's go and the gears, they just keep meshing. Every once in a while somebody comes along that wants to upset the apple cart. It's nothing new.

Whether the left wants to admit it or not, (I know, they don't) they put Trump in office. That's a difficult thing for them to come to grips with, I understand. But if the Democrat Party had made life better for the majority of our citizens, they'd be riding high in April. They'd have gained a slew of seats from sea to shining sea as well as the highest position in the land. Instead it was the opposite and they'll be blaming everybody else for their failures from here to eternity. That doesn't mean I have to like hearing it though.

I'll keep my eyes open for the Trump ass-wiping thread. It's just a matter of time before it shows up.

It's going to be snowing here to.

I never did the dick measuring of "my side vs your side". Seems to me that if a thing is wrong it's wrong. I can come up with things I objected to with Hillary and Obama and then get into a pissing match with their supporters. If it might cause a moment's reflection I might, but it's pretty much useless. A problem I've mentioned about partisans and ideologues is that they never hold themselves to the same standard they hold their opponents, perhaps with few exceptions. Those are inclusive terms which I find utterly useless except as an aid to determine a reference point of others.

But don't think for a moment I didn't hold those who gave the Dems a total pass but are all over Trump a pass.

If the left leaning side says something patently false I'll point that out. Sadly there's a whole book of outrageous on the part of Trump. In this case I explained my position as to why I think anyone who boasts is obliged to follow up with proof. Now who said they were donating without any supporting, well anything? Joe Biden?

 

[fskimospy]

Oh, I'm not harping on the reporting itself. I'm just saying I'm not going to say "See!!! He's the liar (in regards to this topic) we all said he was!"... yet. I'm all for the reporting and keeping his feet to the flames on EVERYTHING. I honestly don't think the press is doing enough to keep every story on the front burner (I realize this is an impossibility with all the bullshit flying around).

That makes sense to me. Again, it will never be possible to say with certainty that he didn't donate his salary without seeing his tax returns so in a way you'll never be able to say he lied on this topic. Still, if he faces no consequences for making these boasts without evidence then that will just encourage him to make even more.

I don't find this issue to be particularly outrageous, if he hasn't donated his salary it's a fairly garden variety lie for him that he's made many times over the years as the list of charities he has claimed to give to is much, much longer than the list of ones he has actually given to. It's just good to keep in mind that this guy seems almost totally unable to tell the truth even on trivial issues.

 

[Homerboy]

@boomerang, just stop with the stupid "0bama" usage. It is neither funny, nor original, nor witty. If you want people to take you seriously, don't be childish.

 

[PokerGuy]

You realize when you keep concern trolling like this people simply ignore it because they start tuning out the noise, right?

I'm making an observation. Actually, agreeing with an observation others have made. You silly lefties don't even realize that by raging over every little thing you are actually inoculating Trump against future criticism. Nobody will care when you start raging about something legitimate in the future because you've been raging about all this BS the whole time.

But hey, rage on!

 

[Homerboy]

That makes sense to me. Again, it will never be possible to say with certainty that he didn't donate his salary without seeing his tax returns so in a way you'll never be able to say he lied on this topic. Still, if he faces no consequences for making these boasts without evidence then that will just encourage him to make even more.

I don't find this issue to be particularly outrageous, if he hasn't donated his salary it's a fairly garden variety lie for him that he's made many times over the years as the list of charities he has claimed to give to is much, much longer than the list of ones he has actually given to. It's just good to keep in mind that this guy seems almost totally unable to tell the truth even on trivial issues.

Well that's why I said if he, or the administration was smart, they'd make some news story (exclusive on Fox and Friends) publicly showing the donation or whatever to whatever charity they want. Heck if he gets paid quarterly, he should give it to a different charity each time helping spread the wealth.

 

[Homerboy]

I'm making an observation. Actually, agreeing with an observation others have made. You silly lefties don't even realize that by raging over every little thing you are actually inoculating Trump against future criticism. Nobody will care when you start raging about something legitimate in the future because you've been raging about all this BS the whole time.

But hey, rage on!

That's the trick -- it's a very fine line between reporting on all the stupidity the administration is doing and crying wolf. There's nothing wrong with bringing light to this situation -- that he has not donated the money yet -- but I'm not going to call him a liar in regards to this topic (yet) either.

 

[boomerang]

@boomerang, just stop with the stupid "0bama" usage. It is neither funny, nor original, nor witty. If you want people to take you seriously, don't be childish.

I've have never been concerned with being taken seriously here and I have expounded on that a number of times through the years. Faceless interaction is to me, meaningless.

Call out the numerous posters here you have all kind of catchy variations on Trump and I may just honor your request.

Barring that, if it bothers you that much, you should just put me on ignore. I promise my feelings won't be hurt.

 

[PokerGuy]

That's the trick -- it's a very fine line between reporting on all the stupidity the administration is doing and crying wolf. There's nothing wrong with bringing light to this situation -- that he has not donated the money yet -- but I'm not going to call him a liar in regards to this topic (yet) either.

This thread is a good example, you have all the idiots rushing in and proclaiming Trump to be a liar etc -- without any evidence. All we know right now is that nobody has proven that his salary was donated to charity. We don't know if he did or not, we just haven't seen proof. Yet they rage about it as if Trump's been caught in a lie. There's nothing there, and even if it's true that he didn't donate anything yet, it's STILL not a reason to rage, because a reasonable person could argue that he's only had one check so far, maybe he's planning to donate it quarterly. Who knows, either way the raging about this is stupid.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

That makes sense to me. Again, it will never be possible to say with certainty that he didn't donate his salary without seeing his tax returns so in a way you'll never be able to say he lied on this topic. Still, if he faces no consequences for making these boasts without evidence then that will just encourage him to make even more.

I don't find this issue to be particularly outrageous, if he hasn't donated his salary it's a fairly garden variety lie for him that he's made many times over the years as the list of charities he has claimed to give to is much, much longer than the list of ones he has actually given to. It's just good to keep in mind that this guy seems almost totally unable to tell the truth even on trivial issues.

He doesn't need to show his tax returns. All he needs is an official receipt with means to verify provided by the donee. If for example he gifts the Salvation Army, they could with his consent attest to his gift. The problem is if he "donates" to a private individual, he could (not saying would) give some small sum relative to the declared gift.

Another possible scenario acceptable to me would be the donation equivalent to his salary, not a direct deposit for example, showing he *personally* gifted others.

Naturally that would require tax records as you say.

 

[boomerang]

For example, Trump said he was going to drain the swamp. What did he do? He filled his cabinet with predatory BILLIONAIRES. That is the exact opposite of draining the swamp. That it the exact opposite of what any voter wanted him to do. It was an open declaration of war on the middle class and an acceleration of the looting of America.

Think on it a bit if you need to and then if you're inclined to do so, tell us all why Trump's version of draining the swamp should have matched up with yours.

Bonus points if you can make a good case for Trump not doing "what any voter wanted him to do".

I say this in the nicest way possible. You're thinking with your emotions instead of your brain. Your choice of course. I have found that emotional thinking usually gives me marginally good results whereas logical thinking usually gives me mostly good results. It's something to ponder on.

 

[Homerboy]

This thread is a good example, you have all the idiots rushing in and proclaiming Trump to be a liar etc -- without any evidence. All we know right now is that nobody has proven that his salary was donated to charity. We don't know if he did or not, we just haven't seen proof. Yet they rage about it as if Trump's been caught in a lie. There's nothing there, and even if it's true that he didn't donate anything yet, it's STILL not a reason to rage, because a reasonable person could argue that he's only had one check so far, maybe he's planning to donate it quarterly. Who knows, either way the raging about this is stupid.

There's no reason to rage, I will agree with you on that. I do agree with @fskimospy though in that the news has to stay on top of these things to keep him (or anyone in situations like this) honest about what they have promised to deliver. The article I read this morning (MSNBC) was factual and did not proclaim him to be "lying" just that to date nothing has been shown and when asked, the White House refused to answer. Now obviously to help defuse the situation, the WH could have said "He will be donating at the end of the quarter/year/term... whatever". By not answering, they did not help squelch any conjectures and potential "rage"

 

[bshole]

Think on it a bit if you need to and then if you're inclined to do so, tell us all why Trump's version of draining the swamp should have matched up with yours.

Bonus points if you can make a good case for Trump not doing "what any voter wanted him to do".

I say this in the nicest way possible. You're thinking with your emotions instead of your brain. Your choice of course. I have found that emotional thinking usually gives me marginally good results whereas logical thinking usually gives me mostly good results. It's something to ponder on.

So.... you (and people like you) wanted a cabinet full of billionaires and wall street bankers..... some of which gave us the great collapse of '08? You actually believe they are going to do something that benefits you, the middle class or America?

What in the holy hell do you think he meant by draining the swamp? I am very interested to know.

 

[ivwshane]

He appears to think everyone else is just like him. I mean he already said earlier in the thread that he doesn't care what is being said, he only cares about who said it.

That was quite an amazing admission, wasn't it?!

 

[Homerboy]

So.... you (and people like you) wanted a cabinet full of billionaires and wall street bankers..... some of which gave us the great collapse of '08? You actually believe they are going to do something that benefits you, the middle class or America?

What in the holy hell do you think he meant by draining the swamp? I am very interested to know.

Ugh. That chart makes me weep
The ironic part is that maybe #MAGA means a return to the 1930s when these two lines last crossed? What big event happened back then? I forget....

 

[bshole]

Ugh. That chart makes me weep
The ironic part is that maybe #MAGA means a return to the 1930s when these two lines last crossed? What big event happened back then? I forget....

Yep and here is the causal link.... campaign contributions of the 1 percent. Kind of weird how those two charts appear to be linked isn't it?

This is the SWAMP and it is SYSTEMIC and it is destroying our democratic republic, our middle class, our freedom and ultimately our country.

 

[HomerJS]

Explain to me how it's different with Democrats.

If Hillary said the sun rises in the west Dems would not believe her.

 

[HomerJS]

See, this is why any type of meaningful interaction here is pointless. 0bama told lie after lie after lie and his ardent supporter ate them all up with a big smile. Dem's ran Hillary who has been termed a congenital liar. I would term her as a pathological liar. Fool yourself if you want, it's no skin off my nose.

You realize Trump outlied Hillary 3:1. And Hillary had the reputation for being dishonest. If you want to go back to Obama Trump is outpacing him 500:1.

He is averaging 1-2 bald face lies/week

 

[PokerGuy]

If Hillary said the sun rises in the west Dems would not believe her.

Not only would they believe her, but they'd engage in a big campaign to decry those who didn't believe as "West Rise Deniers", denounce anyone who questions her as sexist/racist/misogynist/deplorable.

 

[Commodus]

Not only would they believe her, but they'd engage in a big campaign to decry those who didn't believe as "West Rise Deniers", denounce anyone who questions her as sexist/racist/misogynist/deplorable.

Pretty rich statement given that virtually everything the Trump administration says in public is either an easily disproven lie or completely unsupported by evidence.

 

[Homerboy]

Not only would they believe her, but they'd engage in a big campaign to decry those who didn't believe as "West Rise Deniers", denounce anyone who questions her as sexist/racist/misogynist/deplorable.

No, that's just wrong.
There was very little zealotry with Hillary -- especially when comparing to Trump. Most Hillary supporters were supporting the party and/or not supporting Trump/Republican ticket. There were very few that were going to blindly buy everything that Hillary was selling opposed to how the fevered fans of Trump bought into and still buy into anything that flows from his pie-hole.

 

[Jhhnn]

Not only would they believe her, but they'd engage in a big campaign to decry those who didn't believe as "West Rise Deniers", denounce anyone who questions her as sexist/racist/misogynist/deplorable.

You really need to believe in the whole "they're just as bad" routine to justify your own erroneous beliefs, huh?

Just because you believe in Trump's lies doesn't mean Dems would believe Hillary's even if she told them.

 

[mikeymikec]

One other thing I find interesting is this:

Trump is at least a multi-millionaire, I don't think anyone will question this. Maybe a billionaire. For someone who can happily drop absurd amounts of money to have a gold-looking apartment, he's got to be pretty absurdly rich. So when Trump said that he would forego his salary, a sensible person would think, "while he can likely easily afford forego that salary without it making any meaningful difference to his finances, it's still a nice gesture as there's a lot of deserving causes that the money could go to, even aside from charities".

So, let's say Trump has decided to forego his salary or donated it. It's an unequivocally decent thing to do. It would bolster public opinion of him. While a modest person might say, "I won't make a big thing out of this" and not go out of their way to much such information public, this is Donald Trump we're talking about. Insert video here of the multitude of things that Trump knows better than anyone. Is there even the vaguest of chances that he deny something that is true AND would make him look good?

 

[boomerang]

You realize Trump outlied Hillary 3:1. And Hillary had the reputation for being dishonest. If you want to go back to Obama Trump is outpacing him 500:1.

He is averaging 1-2 bald face lies/week

And you're just the guy to keep score. I bet you've got news articles about Trump covering at least one wall of your residence don't you? 0bama's are plastering the walls of your bedroom, Trumps are probably right there in the living room.

 

[PokerGuy]

You really need to believe in the whole "they're just as bad" routine to justify your own erroneous beliefs, huh?

Just because you believe in Trump's lies doesn't mean Dems would believe Hillary's even if she told them.

The fact that you think she didn't tell lies says everything anyone would need to know about you

And no, they aren't "just as bad", they are far worse.

 

[boomerang]

What in the holy hell do you think he meant by draining the swamp? I am very interested to know.

Let me put on my pussy hat and ponder on it a bit. I'll get back to you.

In a later post you railed on about big money donors and rich people in the political process. If Hillary, with the help of the big money donors and rich people that backed her had won, would you still be lamenting along the lines of "destroying our democratic republic, our middle class, our freedom and ultimately our country."

I'll answer for you because you're incapable of any form of objectivity. You would have had no fucking problems with it at all. You'd be doing the happy dance.