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uclaLabrat

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Ordinarily I would say that the president, and specifically, presidential policy, has limited to no effect on economic performance.

I posit the Trump corollary: you generally can't make the economy perform well unilaterally, but you sure can fuck it up royally unilaterally.
 

Bitek

Lifer
Aug 2, 2001
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Since ol Slow has made himself a ghost, i thought it was time we bump the thread again with the latest developments.

-Disappointing job numbers released today for March. Only 103k jobs.

-Unemployment rate flat for 6th straight month (albiet at a low 4.1%)

-y/y wage growth in same range we've seen since 2016 @2.7%. This is concerning considering where we are at in the cycle and unemployment rate...

Takeaway is that econ is still going strong, but haven't really broken out of the band we've been stuck in for last several years, but risks are increasing.

-Brutal stretch in the stock markets due in part to policy uncertainty and trade fears. Overall down over 2% YTD as of today, but down almost 8% (2100 pts) off of the January high.
We've lost all the gains since Thanksgiving and the shitshow looks like it's still in act 1.
 

Commodus

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Oct 9, 2004
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Since ol Slow has made himself a ghost, i thought it was time we bump the thread again with the latest developments.

-Disappointing job numbers released today for March. Only 103k jobs.

-Unemployment rate flat for 6th straight month (albiet at a low 4.1%)

-y/y wage growth in same range we've seen since 2016 @2.7%. This is concerning considering where we are at in the cycle and unemployment rate...

Takeaway is that econ is still going strong, but haven't really broken out of the band we've been stuck in for last several years, but risks are increasing.

-Brutal stretch in the stock markets due in part to policy uncertainty and trade fears. Overall down over 2% YTD as of today, but down almost 8% (2100 pts) off of the January high.
We've lost all the gains since Thanksgiving and the shitshow looks like it's still in act 1.

Something tells me Slow won't be back any time soon, at least not in this thread. It's hard to champion the "Trump is the greatest thing to happen to the US economy" falsehood when the man has single-handedly torpedoed months of stock market gains and isn't actually improving job growth or unemployment. The best you can say is that he hasn't fundamentally screwed things up, at least not yet. He may actually want to hope those China tariffs either fall apart or don't take effect until after the mid-terms.
 

Bitek

Lifer
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Something tells me Slow won't be back any time soon, at least not in this thread. It's hard to champion the "Trump is the greatest thing to happen to the US economy" falsehood when the man has single-handedly torpedoed months of stock market gains and isn't actually improving job growth or unemployment. The best you can say is that he hasn't fundamentally screwed things up... yet. He may actually want to hope those China tariffs either fall apart or don't take effect until after the mid-terms.

I was just listening to marketplace on npr, and they were discussing that neither side really has a deterrence mechanism to deescalate the situation.

China is obviously a one party dictatorship, and the US has separated itself from European allies. They can weather the war as it can be painful, but not necessarily and existential threat had the West allied together.

Trump is more vulnerable. Although we are the largest economy, he will be facing nervous markets, businesses, voters and ultimately Congress ppl running for midterms. He has support, but democracies are fickle.

Not only that, the rest of his agenda is stalled, so he has little else to do where he can assert himself.

This may get nasty before it gets better. The exit ramp isn't at all clear on this.
 

TheVrolok

Lifer
Dec 11, 2000
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Since ol Slow has made himself a ghost, i thought it was time we bump the thread again with the latest developments.

-Disappointing job numbers released today for March. Only 103k jobs.

-Unemployment rate flat for 6th straight month (albiet at a low 4.1%)

-y/y wage growth in same range we've seen since 2016 @2.7%. This is concerning considering where we are at in the cycle and unemployment rate...

Takeaway is that econ is still going strong, but haven't really broken out of the band we've been stuck in for last several years, but risks are increasing.

-Brutal stretch in the stock markets due in part to policy uncertainty and trade fears. Overall down over 2% YTD as of today, but down almost 8% (2100 pts) off of the January high.
We've lost all the gains since Thanksgiving and the shitshow looks like it's still in act 1.
Not to totally derail the thread, but have any of the other alts come back since Slow vanished? I know incorruptible popped up and then vanished again fairly quickly. Maybe they're just cycling?
 
Jan 25, 2011
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Not to totally derail the thread, but have any of the other alts come back since Slow vanished? I know incorruptible popped up and then vanished again fairly quickly. Maybe they're just cycling?
Him, A777pilot was another that suddenly appeared the same day. It was noticeable. Although I don't necessarily buy into the everyone is an alt theory the number that suddenly crept up all at once started to make me a believer.
 

TheVrolok

Lifer
Dec 11, 2000
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Him, A777pilot was another that suddenly appeared the same day. It was noticeable. Although I don't necessarily buy into the everyone is an alt theory the number that suddenly crept up all at once started to make me a believer.
Oh totally, certainly a lot of hyperbole about alts, and I'm not entirely convinced Slow is one, but there certainly are a few. A777 and Alpha whatever are on that list.
 

alien42

Lifer
Nov 28, 2004
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markets are taking a huge hit today, today will be five days in the red in a row, the most consecutive in nearly a year, looks like those tax cuts aren't having the effect they were supposed to...

 
Jan 25, 2011
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Blame today on Treasuries finally hitting the magic 3% number. There could be a deeper selloff coming as a result. There's some weak performers showing up suddenly.
 

hal2kilo

Lifer
Feb 24, 2009
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Blame today on Treasuries finally hitting the magic 3% number. There could be a deeper selloff coming as a result. There's some weak performers showing up suddenly.
Glad I moved almost 1/2 million into the Fidelity government and corporate bond fund 2 weeks ago. Not going to lose 35% again MFrs.
 

glenn1

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Sep 6, 2000
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Ordinarily I would say that the president, and specifically, presidential policy, has limited to no effect on economic performance.

I posit the Trump corollary: you generally can't make the economy perform well unilaterally, but you sure can fuck it up royally unilaterally.

This. Unless Trump (or any other POTUS) does something like pass Smoot-Hawley or launch another global war, their term in office probably won't even register as a bump in the long term market charts. Markets are probably near the top of their range (within 20% at least) but that's a function of short to mid term variability rather than a long-term secular downturn like Japan's Nikkei Index.
 
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markets are taking a huge hit today, today will be five days in the red in a row, the most consecutive in nearly a year, looks like those tax cuts aren't having the effect they were supposed to...


Sure they are, look at corporate profits, and just how much richer the rich are getting.
SO
MUCH
WINNING
 

Engineer

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Oct 9, 1999
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By the way, companies did record stock buybacks this year at over 1 Trillion....

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/copman...illion-buying-back-their-own-stock-this-year/

Tax cuts, deregulation, YUGE roaring economy, 49 year low in unemployment applications, near record low unemployment.....what's the problem?

Maybe it's the trade war? Maybe it's the rising deficits in a roaring economy? Maybe it's the fact that fed has to apply the brakes and raise interest rates....chocking off consumers and the government debt servicing as well? Maybe it's that the market perceives the stable genius and not so stable or genius.

Someone forgot to put the trickle in trickle-down......
 

Engineer

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Oct 9, 1999
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The attempted bounce failed. Up 300+ this morning. Now, all 3 indexes back in the red. Not saying it won't rally or bounce but all roads lead to down currently.

What a shit show cheeto has walked us into.
 

Bitek

Lifer
Aug 2, 2001
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The attempted bounce failed. Up 300+ this morning. Now, all 3 indexes back in the red. Not saying it won't rally or bounce but all roads lead to down currently.

What a shit show cheeto has walked us into.

Really would like to see a late 2018 rally... So i can sell..
 
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