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sportage

Lifer
Feb 1, 2008
11,493
3,159
136
BTW, my 401k has gone up almost 14% over Trump's first year. I hope all of you are having good returns as well.

Oh wow!
Soooo missing the reality.
Workers should have a PENSION. And actual return on their investment as an employee.
401K? Seriously?
What is a 401K?
It's a Ponzi scheme, as close to a scam as one can get, where the employee takes ALL OF THE RISK.
No matter how well your 401K does or might do, it takes only ONE economic hit to wipe it out.
Corporations love it that their employees take all the risk, and the corporation still able to pay their CEO's millions despite the ups and downs in the market. After all, they are not taking the risks, YOU ARE.

Pensions were and are the American way.
That was until greed and corruption took over.
Someone figured out this con of a system where the employer wins and the employee lose.
The 401K, where the risk factor was transferred from employer to employee.

It's all a con game. A shell game. A game of marked cards.
You can work your entire life building that 401K, and in one week it's all wiped out.
Now THAT is a perfect example of a con game, FYI.
That never happened with pensions. Not with companies that were legitimate and employees that earned a piece of that company.
And with companies that valued the employees contribution.

The 401K is easy money. Easy money for the corruption in the market place.
They see your money coming in and one day, as with the crash of 1929, they will take your money. It's inedible. They can't help it.
Greed drives their motivations, and well... what the heck.
With all that 401K money floating around, why not help themselves, or so they say. And they do help themselves, over and over and over.

If you have a 401K you definitely need a second plan.
That second plan, a livable travel trailer, or money buried in the back yard, or moving back in with old mom and dad.
Old retired Dad, they guy still receiving a pension.....
 

dawp

Lifer
Jul 2, 2005
11,345
2,705
136
The attempted bounce failed. Up 300+ this morning. Now, all 3 indexes back in the red. Not saying it won't rally or bounce but all roads lead to down currently.

What a shit show cheeto has walked us into.
I say he ran us into it head long and full steam ahead.
 

Engineer

Elite Member
Oct 9, 1999
39,234
701
126
Really would like to see a late 2018 rally... So i can sell..

Market didn't like the Fed's language....Dow was up 350 and now down 100. Fed keeps it up and they will have to do emergency cuts to underpin the economy when the bottom falls out.
 

Bitek

Lifer
Aug 2, 2001
10,658
5,228
136
Market didn't like the Fed's language....Dow was up 350 and now down 100. Fed keeps it up and they will have to do emergency cuts to underpin the economy when the bottom falls out.

Goddammit, who hired that guy?

Oh yeah...

Well at least he's not short. Or a girl...
 

Engineer

Elite Member
Oct 9, 1999
39,234
701
126
Market down heavy again. Nasdaq at -19.6%.....0.4% away from a technical bear market.

Nasdaq has crashed through the -20% mark, in technical bear territory (still falling at -2.xx % so far today).

Dow breached the 23,000 floor and has hit 22,936 as of this moment.

So much.....so much fucking winning.
 
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snoopy7548

Diamond Member
Jan 1, 2005
8,088
5,084
146
Market down heavy again. Nasdaq at -19.6%.....0.4% away from a technical bear market.

Nasdaq has crashed through the -20% mark, in technical bear territory (still falling at -2.xx % so far today).

Dow breached the 23,000 floor and has hit 22,936 as of this moment.

So much.....so much fucking winning.

When it hits rock bottom the only place it can go is up! Be patient! The winning will be here!
 

repoman0

Diamond Member
Jun 17, 2010
4,544
3,471
136
So we wasted trillions of dollars on tax cuts for the rich and corporations ... all for the market to shit the bed and erase well over a year's worth of gains? What a surprise
 
Reactions: DarthKyrie
Jan 25, 2011
16,634
8,778
146
So we wasted trillions of dollars on tax cuts for the rich and corporations ... all for the market to shit the bed and erase well over a year's worth of gains? What a surprise
I for one am shocked and had no idea this would happen a year ago when I said this is exactly what would happen.
 
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Engineer

Elite Member
Oct 9, 1999
39,234
701
126
So we wasted trillions of dollars on tax cuts for the rich and corporations ... all for the market to shit the bed and erase well over a year's worth of gains? What a surprise

Which will result in executive panic over stock prices and kneejerk layoffs to try to get this ship turned around. Of course, that will undercut the economy, possibly lead to recession and bingo, going back to 2007-2010 all over again (overblown for now, I know).
 

Zorba

Lifer
Oct 22, 1999
14,875
10,300
136
Which will result in executive panic over stock prices and kneejerk layoffs to try to get this ship turned around. Of course, that will undercut the economy, possibly lead to recession and bingo, going back to 2007-2010 all over again (overblown for now, I know).
Except this time we might see large numbers of bankrupcy among blue chip companies due to the over use of debt to pay for dividends and buybacks over the last decade.
 
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zinfamous

No Lifer
Jul 12, 2006
110,810
29,564
146
Except this time we might see large numbers of bankrupcy among blue chip companies due to the over use of debt to pay for dividends and buybacks over the last decade.

Sounds fun!

I already have my dystopian nickname picked out: Zin the Bonethrottler!
 

Homerboy

Lifer
Mar 1, 2000
30,856
4,974
126
The good news (for me) is my industry benefits from a down economy (in theory).
That being said, it is nothing I, nor the ownership here, wishes to happen.
My 401k has tanked this year. At least I had steady gains for the previous 8 years. I'm basically back to where I started. I guess that's better than being behind?
 

alien42

Lifer
Nov 28, 2004
12,668
3,067
136
Will be lucky if it doesn't just collapse at end of trading. Was down 650 after it came out that cheeto won't sign the Senate version of the CR.

add a govt shutdown and let's see just how low we can go before year end.
 

Demo24

Diamond Member
Aug 5, 2004
8,357
9
81
The good news (for me) is my industry benefits from a down economy (in theory).
That being said, it is nothing I, nor the ownership here, wishes to happen.
My 401k has tanked this year. At least I had steady gains for the previous 8 years. I'm basically back to where I started. I guess that's better than being behind?


Unless it's standalone, you would be a bit negative given the monthly contribution hasnt kept you above that level. I just haven't even looked at mine lately. Thankfully I'm about to start a job with a full pension system.

On the other hand my trading account is loving this action!
 

Engineer

Elite Member
Oct 9, 1999
39,234
701
126
Futures swung over 100 to the negative when cheeto tweeted that the government shutdown will last a very long time without the funding for the wall. So much winning....I can't take it all in anymore.
 

fskimospy

Elite Member
Mar 10, 2006
84,812
49,499
136
Futures swung over 100 to the negative when cheeto tweeted that the government shutdown will last a very long time without the funding for the wall. So much winning....I can't take it all in anymore.

So he’s trying to cause a shutdown which will very likely be blamed on him (he already claimed credit) in order to try and secure funding for a wall that is an unpopular policy, that’s going to end up with all sorts of stories about Christmas being ruined for federal employees, etc.

Why would Democrats give in to this?
 

dank69

Lifer
Oct 6, 2009
35,597
29,300
136
So he’s trying to cause a shutdown which will very likely be blamed on him (he already claimed credit) in order to try and secure funding for a wall that is an unpopular policy, that’s going to end up with all sorts of stories about Christmas being ruined for federal employees, etc.

Why would Democrats give in to this?
#artofthedeal
 
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