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zinfamous

No Lifer
Jul 12, 2006
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The top .01% will be ready to buy everything up on the crash.

Save your money people. Winter is coming.
Do you ever wonder if Trump is setting this up on purpose so he and his pals can cash in on it?

Ever wonder about such a thing? I don't really need to wonder, because isn't that what his supporters explicitly voted for? They love his "Well, obviously I don't give a shit about you--But Let's go and do this for me, anyway! MAGA!" attitude.

I pretty much wake up each morning wondering which part of the economy he is setting aside, today, for he and his to gobble up...right before prison! It's like a rush against time for these thieves at this point.
 

Puffnstuff

Lifer
Mar 9, 2005
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because isn't that his supporters voted for? They love his "Well, I don't give a shit about you--But Let's go and do this for me, anyway! MAGA!" attitude.
Honestly many of them are just backwoods simple people who like to take folks at face value. For someone like Trump that's easy pickings. Church people will blindly follow him irrespective of what he does because their bought and paid for leaders tell them to.
 
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soundforbjt

Lifer
Feb 15, 2002
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His supporters idea of transparency is saying the things that crazy uncle spouts at family gatherings. And probably because they have those thoughts as well.
 
Nov 25, 2013
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I know you don't get this, but this is exactly why a lot of people like Trump. Obama was a very polished public speaker, I'm sure he worked for years to know how to say all the right things. Trump is off the cuff and a bit of an asshole, but he's transparent.

Yes, he's a transparent liar. Truly something for you to be proud of.
 
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Commodus

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Oct 9, 2004
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I know you don't get this, but this is exactly why a lot of people like Trump. Obama was a very polished public speaker, I'm sure he worked for years to know how to say all the right things. Trump is off the cuff and a bit of an asshole, but he's transparent.

Here's the problem: you confuse blunt delivery with transparency.

Trump lies almost constantly. He says one thing and does another, Whenever you try to hold him accountable, he either lies ("so-and-so was a nobody in my campaign/administration"), cuts things short (such as that interview which confronted him on his wiretapping lie) or makes excuses as to why he's hiding things (we're still waiting on those tax returns). He wants to shame any media outlet that reports anything other than the official propaganda. Oh, he'll gladly be honest about his hatred for others, but he is otherwise a master at being opaque.

Besides, even if he was transparent, there's a difference between being blunt and being good. I've known people who would proudly state that they "tell it like it is," but they really just used that as an excuse to be vicious to everyone. Bluntness is only truly a positive if it's meant to help. Like telling a friend that their speech needs work, or sharing your frustrations (or praise) with your partner. Trump rarely uses it that way; he uses bluntness to attack, to denigrate, to insist he's always right. Just because a sledgehammer isn't as subtle as poison doesn't mean it's any less harmful.
 
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Alpha One Seven

Golden Member
Sep 11, 2017
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Wow, you just dropped all pretence and embraced your racism with full gusto. No wonder you're such an enthusiastic Trump drone.
That was a reference to what the comic said, lest you think it was my own words.

Hypocrite much?


No, it's not racist to compare any leader to Hitler. Yes, the cartoon character on the left has crafted a racist caricature, and so have you.

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Alpha One Seven

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Sep 11, 2017
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Racist much?
Did you not see that comic?

We consider your posting of ugly racist images to be intentional racism. You're simply not bright enough to put your stealth racism over on us.

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Commodus

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Oct 9, 2004
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That was a reference to what the comic said, lest you think it was my own words.

Hypocrite much?

Let's assume you're being honest and that you were just observing what they said. That still leaves a problem: those racist comics were from, well, racists. They were rightly criticized and had no real insights into Obama's respectability.

Snippets like that Obama/Trump comparison, however, say a lot. Where Obama is intelligent, kind and considerate, Trump is stupid, spiteful and a bull in a china shop. For goodness' sake, he couldn't even avoid saying "to hell with it" and bringing a petty feud with Arnold Schwarzenegger into a prayer breakfast? Trump refuses to show respect, therefore he must never be given respect.
 

jackstar7

Lifer
Jun 26, 2009
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Let's assume you're being honest and that you were just observing what they said. That still leaves a problem: those racist comics were from, well, racists. They were rightly criticized and had no real insights into Obama's respectability.

Snippets like that Obama/Trump comparison, however, say a lot. Where Obama is intelligent, kind and considerate, Trump is stupid, spiteful and a bull in a china shop. For goodness' sake, he couldn't even avoid saying "to hell with it" and bringing a petty feud with Arnold Schwarzenegger into a prayer breakfast? Trump refuses to show respect, therefore he must never be given respect.
Thank you for bringing that up again.

Trump is the loud embodiment of entitlement. He thinks getting elected means he earned respect, but because his methods were heinous and (yep) deplorable and possibly traitorous (giving aid and comfort to enemies), he neither earned nor deserves respect. He does garner worship from people and he certainly seems to enjoy that, but he's not getting respect and I think that's what is driving him further into despotism.
 

Pipeline 1010

Golden Member
Dec 2, 2005
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1. Only if there is demand
2. Only if they were previously cash constrained, and could not make the investment

Only if the two conditions are true will the tax cuts make a difference in capital investment.

When corporations were already sitting on historical levels of cash, it's hard to make that conclusion. Hence why the vast majority of economists see minimal growth.

More valuable was the changes to the amortization schedule for capital investments, but you didn't need $2T in additional debt to do it.

Companies are spending more of their tax cut on stock buy backs than they are one time small bonuses given to employees based on years of service. It's a fucking joke.

Here are some random thoughts. I'm thinking out loud here and I'm (very obviously) not an economic expert:

OK so the point of these posts is that companies will just hoard the cash. Unless the argument is that they will put the physical dollar bills into a vault, doesn't that money get invested into something that is productive to the economy?

If the money is deposited into a bank, that bank will lend it out. To businesses, for personal loans, for whatever. It gets spent, and at a multiple of the actual deposits (due to fractional reserve).

If the money is used for stock buybacks, then the money is distributed to people who own that stock and at a price they are willing to sell it for. That money either gets spent or gets invested. Stock buy backs are often initiated with the purpose of awarding stock to employees. Who then sell the stock to buy stuff or invest in stuff.

If the money is used to purchase other types of assets (gold, oil futures, real estate, whatever), it increases competition/demand for those items, and drives up the price for those who are selling them.

All of these things lead to more money changing hands. When more money changes hands, doesn't that necessitate more jerbs? Doesn't the government get to tax these transactions? Isn't that good? Isn't that the same purpose as government economic stimulus plans?

I know I'm kind of all over the place. I'm not looking for an argument, I just want insight into questions that have been nagging me in the back of my mind when reading posts like the ones I quoted.
 

jackstar7

Lifer
Jun 26, 2009
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Unless the investors are selling off now to bring about enough liquidity that they'll be able to weather the bubble burst that we seem to be moving towards. Then they'll sit on their wealth until they can snatch up all the newly devalued assets that will be sitting on the market.

Plenty of wealthy people just sit on a significant amount of money. It's part of the diversification of their portfolio.
 

Pipeline 1010

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Dec 2, 2005
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Sit on it where? In a bank? Then it gets lent out. Loans are lent out to productive activities.
 
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