Trump: 'Second Amendment people' could deal with Clinton

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Knowing

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the Trump campaign and the NRA on twitter both quickly covered themselves with that very sentiment. if that is what he really meant, then why didn't he just say it? a single word would have done it, vote. reality is that Trump loves crazy conspiracy theories and implying crude and very unpresidential things, he has a history of doing so.

Donald Trump is, quite simply, unelectable.

I don't know why he didn't say it. I'm not in his brain pulling levers to make synapses fire. I'm also not hyper sensitive to dog whistle language. Hillary would be unelectable of there were any reason on this planet.

Be clear. I'm calling you an asshole and it is founded in your behavior.

I'm just telling it like it is. Like your boy, Donnie T.

You calling me names is exactly that, you calling me names. I probably won't vote for Donald because I live in a red state so I'm free to vote my conscience and I'd like nothing more. However, I'd vote Satan if it kept Hillary out of the white house.
 

Jhhnn

IN MEMORIAM
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What if, and this is a stretch because it doesn't involve going in to hysterics about possible interpretations of what he said... What if he was taking about advocates of the second amendment voting for him instead of Hillary, or in the unfortunate event the Democrats are desperate to vote for another warmongering corporatist exert influence over her.

I know, the first place your mind might go is violence, but maybe he didn't mean it that way. Not all "second amendment people" are "super predators."

Astounding apologism. It's perfectly clear what he meant, that firearms enthusiasts "could" take the law into their own hands if he doesn't win the election. It's thinly veiled encouragement & threat rolled into one.
 

jackstar7

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You calling me names is exactly that, you calling me names. I probably won't vote for Donald because I live in a red state so I'm free to vote my conscience and I'd like nothing more. However, I'd vote Satan if it kept Hillary out of the white house.
No no, I'm stating my argument. You are an asshole, as evidenced by your posts. You've offered only more evidence to support my position, and nothing to counter it.

You solidified it nicely with your last bit there.
 

jackstar7

Lifer
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Just wait. I'm sure Trump will name-check Gabby Giffords next just to make sure the right dogs hear that whistle.
 

Knowing

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Astounding apologism. It's perfectly clear what he meant, that firearms enthusiasts "could" take the law into their own hands if he doesn't win the election. It's thinly veiled encouragement & threat rolled into one.
"Any people anywhere, being inclined and having the power, have the right to rise up, and shake off the existing government, and form a new one that suits them better. This is a most valuable - a most sacred right - a right, which we hope and believe, is to liberate the world." - some terrorist who incidentally had his visage carved 60ft tall on to the side of a mountain in the United States in an area that is protected as a national park.
 

rudder

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Trump should choose his word more wisely.... but damn have liberals gone full retard? You should never go full retard this early on. I think the 2A people who may not like Trump do not really want Clinton to be elected. Having Clinton tweet some nonsense about violence is about as stupid as claiming he was inviting Russia to hack U.S. state secrets.
 

jackstar7

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Trump should choose his word more wisely.... but damn have liberals gone full retard? You should never go full retard this early on. I think the 2A people who may not like Trump do not really want Clinton to be elected. Having Clinton tweet some nonsense about violence is about as stupid as claiming he was inviting Russia to hack U.S. state secrets.
Yeah. Trump needs to demonstrate greater oratorical wisdom and liberals have gone full retard.

You have a clear grasp of the situation.
 

Knowing

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No no, I'm stating my argument. You are an asshole, as evidenced by your posts. You've offered only more evidence to support my position, and nothing to counter it.

You solidified it nicely with your last bit there.

So your argument is your opinion, backed up by your opinion. That's not circular at all, but again, it only matters to you.

My reasoning for preferring Satan to Hillary is simple: Satan is a caricature of evil and lying, it would be very difficult to not consider his every action in this lens. OTOH, there is no shortage of people prepared to apologise, minimize, and otherwise revise history in support of Hillary. They do this while claiming that she somehow deserves to be president and is entitled to a more gentle handling (which, in an of itself is sexist as hell), this treatment was not extended to females that aren't of the leftist persuasion.

Tl;Dr - I don't know that I can stomach another 8 years of apologies.

Edit: didn't want an autocorrect error to invalidate my statements due to pedantry.
 

alien42

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Trump should choose his word more wisely.... but damn have liberals gone full retard? You should never go full retard this early on. I think the 2A people who may not like Trump do not really want Clinton to be elected. Having Clinton tweet some nonsense about violence is about as stupid as claiming he was inviting Russia to hack U.S. state secrets.

Trump wasn't inviting Russia to hack the US, but CIA agents do consider him an unwitting agent of Russia, big difference.
 
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"If the representatives of the people betray their constituents, there is then no resource left but in the exertion of that original right of self-defense which is paramount to all positive forms of government, and which against the usurpations of the national rulers, may be exerted with infinitely better prospect of success than against those of the rulers of an individual state. In a single state, if the persons intrusted with supreme power become usurpers, the different parcels, subdivisions, or districts of which it consists, having no distinct government in each, can take no regular measures for defense. The citizens must rush tumultuously to arms, without concert, without system, without resource; except in their courage and despair."
- Alexander Hamilton, Federalist No. 28
And who is the decider there? We don't just let any random nuts decide to use illegitimate violence because they don't like the election results.
 

senseamp

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Are "Second Amendment" people OK with Trump calling them potential anti-democratic murderers?
 

cronos

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What if, and this is a stretch because it doesn't involve going in to hysterics about possible interpretations of what he said... What if he was taking about advocates of the second amendment voting for him instead of Hillary, or in the unfortunate event the Democrats are desperate to vote for another warmongering corporatist exert influence over her.

He said: "If she gets to pick her judges... nothing you could do", which means in this scenario Hilary is already president. So you're saying he wanted the 'second amendment people' to vote for him when, four years from now?
 
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jackstar7

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So your argument is your opinion, backed up by your opinion. That's not circular at all, but again, it only matters to you.

My reasoning for preferring Satan to Hillary is simple: Satan is a caricature of evil and lying, it would be very difficult to not consider his every action in this lens. OTOH, there is no shortage of people prepared to apologise, minimize, and otherwise revise history in support of Hillary. They do this while claiming that she somehow deserves to be president and is entitled to a more gentle handling (which, in an of itself is sexist as hell), this treatment was not extended to females that aren't of the leftist persuasion.

Tl;Dr - I don't know that I can stomach another 8 years of apologies.

Edit: didn't want an autocorrect error to invalidate my statements due to pedantry.

Heh. You worried about the pedantry of others. Bee-yoo-tee-full.
 

fskimospy

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What if, and this is a stretch because it doesn't involve going in to hysterics about possible interpretations of what he said... What if he was taking about advocates of the second amendment voting for him instead of Hillary, or in the unfortunate event the Democrats are desperate to vote for another warmongering corporatist exert influence over her.

I know, the first place your mind might go is violence, but maybe he didn't mean it that way. Not all "second amendment people" are "super predators."

He was clearly not talking about that because the quote referenced after her election.

B- concern trolling.
 

retrospooty

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Astounding apologism. It's perfectly clear what he meant, that firearms enthusiasts "could" take the law into their own hands if he doesn't win the election. It's thinly veiled encouragement & threat rolled into one.
He said: "If she gets to pick her judges... nothing you could do", which means in this scenario Hilary is already president. So you're saying he wanted the 'second amendment people' to vote for him when, four years from now?
Heh. You worried about the pedantry of others. Bee-yoo-tee-full.
Astounding apologism. It's perfectly clear what he meant, that firearms enthusiasts "could" take the law into their own hands if he doesn't win the election. It's thinly veiled encouragement & threat rolled into one.

It's clear he was talking about using guns, and it's also pretty clear he was just joking... The thing is you cant joke about things like that and you have to know that. It's like joking about a bomb on a plane will get you kicked off the flight - everyone knows that. This man is essentially on a year+ long job interview for the most important job in the world and he keeps putting his foot in his mouth. I know if any of us stuck their foot in their mouth dozens and dozens of times on an interview we would not get the job. Can you imagine how bad he would be as president? It would be an absolute laugh-fest at our countries expense. He has zero credibility, zero honor, zero restraint, just... Zero.
 
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It's clear he was talking about using guns, and it's also pretty clear he was just joking... The thing is you cant joke about things like that and you have to know that. It's like joking about a bomb on a plane will get you kicked off the flight - everyone knows that. This man is essentially on a year+ long job interview for the most important job in the world and he keeps putting his foot in his mouth. I know if any of us stuck their foot in their mouth dozens and dozens of times on an interview we would not get the job. Can you imagine how bad he would be as president? It would be an absolute laugh-fest at our countries expense. He has zero credibility, zero honor, zero restraint, just... Zero.
Well said
 
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It's clear he was talking about using guns, and it's also pretty clear he was just joking... The thing is you cant joke about things like that and you have to know that. It's like joking about a bomb on a plane will get you kicked off the flight - everyone knows that. This man is essentially on a year+ long job interview for the most important job in the world and he keeps putting his foot in his mouth. I know if any of us stuck their foot in their mouth dozens and dozens of times on an interview we would not get the job. Can you imagine how bad he would be as president? It would be an absolute laugh-fest at our countries expense. He has zero credibility, zero honor, zero restraint, just... Zero.
Well said
 

Aegeon

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Gabby Giffords and her husband have now issued a statement condemning Trump's comments.

“Donald Trump might astound Americans on a routine basis, but we must draw a bright red line between political speech and suggestions of violence,” the statement reads. “Responsible, stable individuals won’t take Trump’s rhetoric to its literal end, but his words may provide a magnet for those seeking infamy. They may provide inspiration or permission for those bent on bloodshed.”
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box...fords-blasts-trumps-second-amendment-comments
 

JSt0rm

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Hail satan. The great orange demon will rise and the glorious second amendment death squads shall go thru the streets hunting those evil wimpy liberals.
 

agent00f

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Trump should choose his word more wisely.... but damn have liberals gone full retard? You should never go full retard this early on.

Yet just above:

If Hillary respects gun rights LIKE SHE SAYS SHE DOES then there's nothing to worry about.

I'm guessing the kind of full retards who says things like: "officer, I didn't say I was gunna hit her, I just said if she shut her bitch mouth there's nuthin to worry about".
 
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"If the representatives of the people betray their constituents, there is then no resource left but in the exertion of that original right of self-defense which is paramount to all positive forms of government, and which against the usurpations of the national rulers, may be exerted with infinitely better prospect of success than against those of the rulers of an individual state. In a single state, if the persons intrusted with supreme power become usurpers, the different parcels, subdivisions, or districts of which it consists, having no distinct government in each, can take no regular measures for defense. The citizens must rush tumultuously to arms, without concert, without system, without resource; except in their courage and despair."
- Alexander Hamilton, Federalist No. 28

Nice I can quote too, however it's a straightforward question, are you calling for people to kill hillary for any reason? How about you use your own words this time?
 

Knowing

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He was clearly not talking about that because the quote referenced after her election.

B- concern trolling.
I mentioned an option even if that was the case. No one has referenced it. I can't tell if it's because you're all so frothy or just don't read to the end by default.
 
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