Trump: Secret terror attacks have taken place in USA! SECRET!

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sandorski

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Every night, after Americans have gone to bed, the FBI sends out cleaning crews to remove the Bodies and Blood. The MSM works on Cover Stories, just in case someone begins asking questions.
 

[DHT]Osiris

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If I were to guess where Trump scores on a standard IQ test I'd estimate about 120 or so. Not a genius but not stupid, however that doesn't count for much when the question of intelligence is considered. There are things for which no quantifiable standards exist.

Consider that the man is the President. He beat Hillary and his supporters and the majority of Dem leaning here consider them stupid on a good day (but they still lost). Note Bush was "shrub" and Edwards was going to wipe the floor with Cheney. Nope.

The mistake was underestimating and misunderstanding the opposition and instead of close inspection and considered thought, a predetermined framework based on *what should be* was substituted for "what is". Hubris won the day in favor of Trump. His competence in office isn't really the same as his ability to manipulate.

Now as to an analysis of Trump outside of that? How long a TL;DR are you asking for? Nothing is simple.

Agreed on most points, though I would say that him getting voted in was equal measure of his 'personality', said hubris from his opponent(s), and some sort of general apathy/disgruntlement that has fallen over much of the American voting populace. He couldn't get elected without having the personality of a steamroller, his opponents couldn't have lost if it wasn't for them underestimating him (and his voters), and the voters couldn't vote for him if they weren't basically fed up with the state of affairs... roughly akin to voting for a burning can of gasoline.

Having said all of the above, I find a hard time believing how much of this behavior is sanctioned/approved/thought up by his advisers. Either I'm underestimating the flexibility of the WH staff/presidential committee (to an extreme degree), or he's either a) intentionally going off the reservation, or b) not at the controls, letting his train of thought go where it may, in whatever way it may.

Orrr maybe I'm being yet another person underestimating him, getting snowed by the mass media distraction that we're witnessing. I'm perfectly willing to consider that option.
 
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In an unsurprising development stories are coming out from families angry that Trump and his admin are using the deaths of their family members by putting them on their list of "under reported terror attacks" because they had nothing to do with terrorism.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/02/07/mother-backpacker-slain-in-australia-criticizes-trump.html

The slaying of 20-year-old Mia Ayliffe-Chung and fellow Briton Tom Jackson was on a list of 78 attacks the White House says were "executed or inspired by" the Islamic State terror group — and under-reported by the media.

Rosie Ayliffe says the possibility that the two Britons died last year in a terror incident was discounted early in the investigation.
 

[DHT]Osiris

Lifer
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In an unsurprising development stories are coming out from families angry that Trump and his admin are using the deaths of their family members by putting them on their list of "under reported terror attacks" because they had nothing to do with terrorism.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/02/07/mother-backpacker-slain-in-australia-criticizes-trump.html

Yep, change how wide the lanes are for a given description of a 'Bad Thing'(tm) and you can widen the net to cover said thing.

See: War on Drugs
 

Grooveriding

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They shouldn't even give airtime to this list. Trump lied through his teeth again. His nut cupper changed what he said to shift the narrative from another crazy person Trump lie to something else and produced a list that doesn't even backup the narrative shift. They should spend all the time they do on this list just pointing out Trump is mentally ill and lies constantly.
 

Hayabusa Rider

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Agreed on most points, though I would say that him getting voted in was equal measure of his 'personality', said hubris from his opponent(s), and some sort of general apathy/disgruntlement that has fallen over much of the American voting populace. He couldn't get elected without having the personality of a steamroller, his opponents couldn't have lost if it wasn't for them underestimating him (and his voters), and the voters couldn't vote for him if they weren't basically fed up with the state of affairs... roughly akin to voting for a burning can of gasoline.

Having said all of the above, I find a hard time believing how much of this behavior is sanctioned/approved/thought up by his advisers. Either I'm underestimating the flexibility of the WH staff/presidential committee (to an extreme degree), or he's either a) intentionally going off the reservation, or b) not at the controls, letting his train of thought go where it may, in whatever way it may.

Orrr maybe I'm being yet another person underestimating him, getting snowed by the mass media distraction that we're witnessing. I'm perfectly willing to consider that option.

The problem with Trump is that he's not internally consistent, well one of his problems. He wants to be THE leader but he doesn't seem to appreciate that he's being managed by people like Bannon. The result is an administrative which lacks cohesiveness and less than a bull-in-the-china shop approach to anything.

Compounding all this is rumor being spread of uncertain merit. Bannon again and the circumstances on which he came to be in the security meetings. It's all fun to say these people are stupid but that's not quite right. They aren't stupid. The real concern is the larger topic of ethics and sense. If one is a smart or stupid fool they are still fools and those present a real and present danger when they have real power.

Don't underestimate the enemy.
 

[DHT]Osiris

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Dec 15, 2015
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The problem with Trump is that he's not internally consistent, well one of his problems. He wants to be THE leader but he doesn't seem to appreciate that he's being managed by people like Bannon. The result is an administrative which lacks cohesiveness and less than a bull-in-the-china shop approach to anything.

Compounding all this is rumor being spread of uncertain merit. Bannon again and the circumstances on which he came to be in the security meetings. It's all fun to say these people are stupid but that's not quite right. They aren't stupid. The real concern is the larger topic of ethics and sense. If one is a smart or stupid fool they are still fools and those present a real and present danger when they have real power.

Don't underestimate the enemy.

I think the term 'stupid' has been getting used incorrectly. I'm sure they're all 'smart', as in, not idiots. They can be absolute fools though, ignorant, bull-headed, short-sighted fools.
 

Hayabusa Rider

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I think the term 'stupid' has been getting used incorrectly. I'm sure they're all 'smart', as in, not idiots. They can be absolute fools though, ignorant, bull-headed, short-sighted fools.

Absolutely and there's a danger. If one assigns such a label that automatically makes them inferior and inferior people are not a threat to their betters. The hazards of that thinking is hard to overstate.
 
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Jaskalas

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He said it’s also happening “all over Europe” like in Paris and Nice.

“It’s gotten to a point where it’s not even being reported. In many cases, the very, very dishonest press doesn’t want to report it. They have their reasons and you understand that,” Mr. Trump said.

We have long accused Europe of not reporting on who commits acts of violence, often describing them as "youths".
A cover deemed as protection.

Trump may be a terrible communicator, but you could at least apply some thought of your own and understand where he's coming from. It's not a mystery for anyone familiar with right-wing conversation.
 
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DaveSimmons

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We have long accused Europe of not reporting on who commits acts of violence, often describing them as "youths".
A cover deemed as protection.

Trump may be a terrible communicator, but you could at least apply some thought of your own and understand where he's coming from. It's not a mystery for anyone familiar with right-wing conversation.

To accept his statements as "real facts" instead of "alternative facts" you have to:
- Ignore his initial statement completely
- Accept the very different "what he really meant" statement as a suitable replacement
- Ignore the list of "under reported" attacks provided as "evidence" by the white house, since many (most? all?) received extensive coverage by the news channels and papers.
- Come up with your own version of under-reporting: "non-US media describing youths as youths instead of Muslim youths" + "any violence including violent protests is a terror attack"

If you move the goalposts enough and then contort your mind that way then I guess you can claim his latest "alternative facts" are true.
 

woolfe9998

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This stuff doesn't happen in a vacuum, don't forget he has a team of advisors. I'm not bold enough to presume I know which (if any) actions are "rogue" actions and which ones have been planned in advance.

These tweets are very unlikely to have been planned. In this particular case, he was tweeting from one of his resorts and was away from the White House. Also, he generally tweets either early morning or late at night, typically after watching TV or browsing the internet, not when he's working. Or so we're told.

If you have eyes and ears, common sense, some basic understanding of human nature, and/or have spent some time observing Trump over this past 1.5 years, then you know how obvious it is that these tweets are impulsive, if not compulsive, and have not been discussed or vetted in advance. Of course we can't know for 100% certain but so what? Slight uncertainty doesn't really change what is abundantly clear about Donald Trump.
 
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woolfe9998

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Here are the solid facts about US media coverage of Islamic terrorist incidents:

http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/07/opini...vering-terrorism-is-baloney-bergen/index.html

Of the 74 incidents listed by the White House, there are over 80,000 total articles which come up on a Nexus search. Only 3 of the incidents were unreported. All three occurred in foreign countries AND involved no casualties.

We can argue our opinions here, but facts are facts. Trump is a liar. Again.
 

Meghan54

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Well, there's your problem...you're trying to use facts. Silly rabbit...facts don't count, only feelings.

Here are the solid facts about US media coverage of Islamic terrorist incidents:

http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/07/opini...vering-terrorism-is-baloney-bergen/index.html

Of the 74 incidents listed by the White House, there are over 80,000 total articles which come up on a Nexus search. Only 3 of the incidents were unreported. All three occurred in foreign countries AND involved no casualties.

We can argue our opinions here, but facts are facts. Trump is a liar. Again.
 

trenchfoot

Lifer
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Well, there's your problem...you're trying to use facts. Silly rabbit...facts don't count, only feelings.

So true to all of those folks who voted for Trump. His playing on their emotions is THE single factor that got him elected, despite whatever failings Hillary committed. Well, that and all of those lies and broken promises he made and, aw heck, I'm not going to type up a wall-o-text to document all that other crap, ploys and scams he fed those gullible fools that voted him into power. They're already well documented and irrefutably fact checked for fidelity.
 

trenchfoot

Lifer
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Here are the solid facts about US media coverage of Islamic terrorist incidents:

http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/07/opini...vering-terrorism-is-baloney-bergen/index.html

Of the 74 incidents listed by the White House, there are over 80,000 total articles which come up on a Nexus search. Only 3 of the incidents were unreported. All three occurred in foreign countries AND involved no casualties.

We can argue our opinions here, but facts are facts. Trump is a liar. Again.

Yes, proven beyond doubt. A pathological liar at that. Yet, his supporters are just fine with him being that way.

If he actually told the truth about himself and his agenda, he wouldn't president, now would he?
 

cytg111

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Want to take me up on my challenge with the list they put out?

Denmark was on that list three times
One was real and had a shitload of covery, two others is fake.

Real deal
https://www.google.dk/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=terror+krudttønden

Fake
http://www.thelocal.dk/20160901/two-police-officers-one-civilian-shot-in-christiania
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...t-charged-with-stabbing-Danish-policeman.html

These two had nothing to do with terror, one was a drugdealer on the run the other was breaking entering ... (but maybe they were muslims?)
 

Sunburn74

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We have long accused Europe of not reporting on who commits acts of violence, often describing them as "youths".
A cover deemed as protection.
Actually a lot of it is to not hinder ongoing investigations. Secrecy in general is a good thing when it comes to investigations, contrary to whatever FBI director Comey will tell you.
 
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