Trump signs bill to adress giant garbage patch in Pacific ocean

FelixDeCat

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https://www.cnsnews.com/news/articl...clean-oceans-trash-floating-foreign-countries

(CNSNews.com) - President Donald Trump signed into law a bipartisan bill Thursday to clean up oceans from millions of tons of floating debris dumped into the ocean annually.

The president said foreign countries like China and Japan are to blame for dumping 8 million tons of debris each year into the world’s oceans, which then floats to the U.S. coast.

“Every year, over 8 million tons of garbage is dumped into our beautiful oceans by many countries of the world. That includes China, that includes Japan, and that includes many, many countries. This waste, trash, and debris harms not only marine life, but also fishermen, coastal economies along America’s vast stretches. The bad news is it floats toward us,” Trump said.

“I’ve seen pictures recently, and some of you have seen them, where there’s -- a vast, tremendous, unthinkable amount of garbage is floating right into our coast, in particular along the West Coast. And we’re charged with removing it, which is a very unfair situation. It comes from other countries very far away. It takes six months and a year to float over, but it gets here, and it’s a very unfair situation. It’s also unbelievably bad for the oceans,” he said.


The Save Our Seas Act “amends the Marine Debris Act to revise the Marine Debris Program to require the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) to work with: (1) other agencies to address both land- and sea-based sources of marine debris, and (2) the Department of State and other agencies to promote international action to reduce the incidence of marine debris.”

Pollution, conservation and recycling should be a non partisan issue world wide. We only have one planet. We should all strive to keep it nice.
 

FelixDeCat

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Here is another organizations attempt to address garbage floating towards the US from "the patch":

 

woolfe9998

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Coal and oil are a monied constituency of Trump and the GOP. Floating debris is not. Other than that, I'm not really sure what to say except, this sounds like a good idea.
 

Indus

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So how much money from taxes is going to end up in Trump's pocket by supposedly funding this?
 

sactoking

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If most of this trash is international as alleged I don't see how this actually does anything as it just authorizes the State Department to shake their fist and tell marine polluters to get off our lawn.
 

sdifox

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Hopefully this pans out as a remediation. Key is still stop dumping into the ocean. Good on Trump for supporting this.

Edit, slight misunderstanding on my part. Thought it funds that Ocean Cleanup group.
 
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The most pollution (in the sense of trash/litter) comes from non-developed countries (Shitholes, if you will). So attempting to clean the fractional amounts in the center of the ocean doesn't address the source.

I guess I'm in favor of it overall, but it's ultimately just a bandaid on a GIANT GAPING GUSHING hole.

Dirtiest Rivers (which obviously dump to the respective oceans)


 

GagHalfrunt

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Pollution, conservation and recycling should be a non partisan issue world wide. We only have one planet. We should all strive to keep it nice.

Tell that to southeast Asia, they're the ones wrecking the Pacific. This is a fake, feel-good law to look like something is being done.
 

FIVR

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The most pollution (in the sense of trash/litter) comes from non-developed countries (Shitholes, if you will). So attempting to clean the fractional amounts in the center of the ocean doesn't address the source.

I guess I'm in favor of it overall, but it's ultimately just a bandaid on a GIANT GAPING GUSHING hole.

Dirtiest Rivers (which obviously dump to the respective oceans)



Weren't there rivers in the US that caught fire they were so polluted?

Your graph doesn't take into account that most of the polluting by the US and Europe took place in the 20th century. Pollution contribution today does not equal collective contribution to global pollution as a whole.
 
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WelshBloke

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Weren't there rivers in the US that caught fire they were so polluted?

Your graph doesn't take into account that most of the polluting by the US and Europe took place in the 20th century. Pollution contribution today does not equal collective contribution to global pollution as a whole.
Plus we export a lot of our trash to them now.
 
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This originated under Bush - https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/33/chapter-33

Obama reauthorized it - https://www.surfrider.org/coastal-b...ne-debris-legislation-signed-by-the-president
https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-112hr1171rfs/pdf/BILLS-112hr1171rfs.pdf.

Now Trump has it a go at this Bush era law
An Act to reauthorize and amend the Marine Debris Act to promote international action to reduce marine debris, and for other purposes.”




They just wanted to update it.
Wonder why they updated it?

From reddit
Turns out that SEC. 210. of this act raises the bar of a "major marine casualty" from $500k to $2,000,000 in 46 U.S. Code §6101.

Also it changes safety inspections from yearly to every three years.

Not only that, SEC. 302. lays the groundwork for shifting from governmental to private responsibility for "blue technology" which encompass basically everything the Coast Guard touches.Yet another bill that helps big business at the expense of the rest of us with a friendly sounding name.

Ammendment
SEC. 210. Major marine casualty property damage threshold.

Section 6101(i)(3) of title 46, United States Code, is amended by striking $500,000 and inserting $2,000,000.
Original - https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/46/6101



Looks like they are capping Federal outlays at 50% of total cost of some
https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/senate-bill/756/text
http://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?req=(title:33 section:1952 edition:prelim)
Meanwhile - Earlier in the year https://www.nationalgeographic.com/...ainability-fisheries-industry-economy-marine/


Losing interest in spending Saturday morning evaluating the updates to the act....
At the very least, this wreaks of normal trump BS
 

Commodus

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This originated under Bush - https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/33/chapter-33

Obama reauthorized it - https://www.surfrider.org/coastal-b...ne-debris-legislation-signed-by-the-president
https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-112hr1171rfs/pdf/BILLS-112hr1171rfs.pdf.

Now Trump has it a go at this Bush era law





They just wanted to update it.
Wonder why they updated it?

From reddit


Ammendment
SEC. 210. Major marine casualty property damage threshold.

Section 6101(i)(3) of title 46, United States Code, is amended by striking $500,000 and inserting $2,000,000.
Original - https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/46/6101



Looks like they are capping Federal outlays at 50% of total cost of some
https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/senate-bill/756/text
http://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?req=(title:33 section:1952 editionrelim)
Meanwhile - Earlier in the year https://www.nationalgeographic.com/...ainability-fisheries-industry-economy-marine/


Losing interest in spending Saturday morning evaluating the updates to the act....
At the very least, this wreaks of normal trump BS

Thanks for this. So it's not only not Trump's law, it's limiting support.
 

fleshconsumed

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This originated under Bush - https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/33/chapter-33

Obama reauthorized it - https://www.surfrider.org/coastal-b...ne-debris-legislation-signed-by-the-president
https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-112hr1171rfs/pdf/BILLS-112hr1171rfs.pdf.

Now Trump has it a go at this Bush era law





They just wanted to update it.
Wonder why they updated it?

From reddit


Ammendment
SEC. 210. Major marine casualty property damage threshold.

Section 6101(i)(3) of title 46, United States Code, is amended by striking $500,000 and inserting $2,000,000.
Original - https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/46/6101



Looks like they are capping Federal outlays at 50% of total cost of some
https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/senate-bill/756/text
http://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?req=(title:33 section:1952 editionrelim)
Meanwhile - Earlier in the year https://www.nationalgeographic.com/...ainability-fisheries-industry-economy-marine/


Losing interest in spending Saturday morning evaluating the updates to the act....
At the very least, this wreaks of normal trump BS
I thought there must have been a catch. I was about to actually... praise Trump, but it was not to be. The world makes sense again. Thanks for the info.
 

soundforbjt

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This originated under Bush - https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/33/chapter-33

Obama reauthorized it - https://www.surfrider.org/coastal-b...ne-debris-legislation-signed-by-the-president
https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-112hr1171rfs/pdf/BILLS-112hr1171rfs.pdf.

Now Trump has it a go at this Bush era law





They just wanted to update it.
Wonder why they updated it?

From reddit


Ammendment
SEC. 210. Major marine casualty property damage threshold.

Section 6101(i)(3) of title 46, United States Code, is amended by striking $500,000 and inserting $2,000,000.
Original - https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/46/6101



Looks like they are capping Federal outlays at 50% of total cost of some
https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/senate-bill/756/text
http://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?req=(title:33 section:1952 editionrelim)
Meanwhile - Earlier in the year https://www.nationalgeographic.com/...ainability-fisheries-industry-economy-marine/


Losing interest in spending Saturday morning evaluating the updates to the act....
At the very least, this wreaks of normal trump BS

Guess who'll try to take credit for it and call it one his achievements?
 

JSt0rm

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The most pollution (in the sense of trash/litter) comes from non-developed countries (Shitholes, if you will). So attempting to clean the fractional amounts in the center of the ocean doesn't address the source.

I guess I'm in favor of it overall, but it's ultimately just a bandaid on a GIANT GAPING GUSHING hole.

Dirtiest Rivers (which obviously dump to the respective oceans)




its our pollution. We just let corporations push production to those places.
 
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its our pollution. We just let corporations push production to those places.
Right because corporations are responsible for the responsibility of others. Get a fucking grip.

I guess when I get pulled over for drinking and driving next time I can just tell the cop that it's the liquor corps fault for making it. Oh no wait it's the bartenders fault for serving it. No wait it's the liquor store owners fault for allowing me to buy the bottle.

Or maybe... just maybe.... it's your own fucking fault detective dipshit. Quit always try to pass off responsibility for shit. No corporation is telling people to drink their coke product and then toss the bottle in a river.
 

Hayabusa Rider

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A great idea that is insufficient and without the funding to make an impact. We should be making this a priority at the UN, but the world doesn't give a shit about us anymore because we told it multiple times to fuck off.
 

cytg111

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Right because corporations are responsible for the responsibility of others. Get a fucking grip.

I guess when I get pulled over for drinking and driving next time I can just tell the cop that it's the liquor corps fault for making it. Oh no wait it's the bartenders fault for serving it. No wait it's the liquor store owners fault for allowing me to buy the bottle.

Or maybe... just maybe.... it's your own fucking fault detective dipshit. Quit always try to pass off responsibility for shit. No corporation is telling people to drink their coke product and then toss the bottle in a river.
Wtf? It is why you get charged with a DUI... Its a way for society to mitigate for the dangerous side effects of drunk men?
 
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