Trump Sues Ways and Means and NY Officials to protect tax returns

[fskimospy]

Well now that they have the tax returns, after all these years, it had better be well worth it. It had better lead to proof of.... something that Donald Trump did that was really really REALLY bad. And to release the returns to the public just to embarrass Trump.... that isn't good enough. If embarrassment is all they have then this is a big win for Trump.

No, it isn’t. Lol.

 

[ivwshane]

What are you guys thinking will come out of this? Because I don’t see anything happening. Let’s assume the worst and the tax returns reveal tax fraud. Then what? Congress doesn’t have authority to charge crimes. Criminal referral? The agency charged with handling such things would be under no obligation to put together a case. Is there some reason why a criminal case wouldn’t already be in the works then? Then what? We wait?
It’s not like people in congress can publicly out him, that would set a really bad precedent (not that I would be against it but it is a violation of privacy).

So at best I would hope congress would put together laws that would either prevent or at least make it easier to catch such fraud as well as put in place minimum sentencing guidelines.

 

[JEDI]

It’s not like people in congress can publicly out him, that would set a really bad precedent (not that I would be against it but it is a violation of privacy).

i want to see how 'really rich' he is (to quote Trump).
but you're right.
would set bad precedent just for that purpose.

as for the Dem on the committee wanting to publicly release Trumps returns:
maybe he knows it wont happen and just said it to rilly up the orange monkey even more

 

[Thump553]

Given the propensity of Washington to leak stuff, I'm certain that full copies of these tax returns will reach the general media within a few days regardless of what GOP Trump protectors in Congress want..

A related issue which is probably not covered by this information that Congress now has is whether or not Trump was actually under audit during the time he repeatedly used that as an excuse not to publicly release his returns. A bogus reason to justify his failure to release the returns, but still I would like confirmation whether he was lying to us on that as well.

 

[Greenman]

i want to see how 'really rich' he is (to quote Trump).
but you're right.
would set bad precedent just for that purpose.

as for the Dem on the committee wanting to publicly release Trumps returns:
maybe he knows it wont happen and just said it to rilly up the orange monkey even more

Tax returns don't show net worth, just taxable income.

 

[JEDI]

Even tho trump lost his Final appeal and has to turn over his taxes, I'm surprised he actually did.

What's the penalty for not doing so?
Contempt of court?
What's the penalty for that? A daily fine?

He could use the$ he grifted from his sheep to pay that.

All he needs is to delay till jan 3 when McCarty/gop is in charge.

Wonder why he actually released it when he was so close (2 months) to his goal of his taxes never to be seen by Dems?

 

[uclaLabrat]

I domt think he did release them, werent they turned over by the IRS?

 

[Fenixgoon]

I domt think he did release them, werent they turned over by the IRS?

this. congress requested the returns from the IRS

 

[JEDI]

I domt think he did release them, werent they turned over by the IRS?

this. congress requested the returns from the IRS

AH..thx!

 

[brycejones]

Even tho trump lost his Final appeal and has to turn over his taxes, I'm surprised he actually did.

What's the penalty for not doing so?
Contempt of court?
What's the penalty for that? A daily fine?

He could use the$ he grifted from his sheep to pay that.

All he needs is to delay till jan 3 when McCarty/gop is in charge.

Wonder why he actually released it when he was so close (2 months) to his goal of his taxes never to be seen by Dems?

Reading is fundamental

 

[SMOGZINN]

this. congress requested the returns from the IRS

Which is the craziest thing about this whole topic. It took nearly 4 years for the courts to find that a federal agency had to comply with what is an obviously legal request from Congress. SCOTUS didn't even feel the need to explain why and there was not even any noted dissents. It was that obvious.

Our system is broken. Our courts still work as if it was 1888 and moves at the pace of a horse, when the rest of the world moves at the speed of light.

 

[Brainonska511]

Which is the craziest thing about this whole topic. It took nearly 4 years for the courts to find that a federal agency had to comply with what is an obviously legal request from Congress. SCOTUS didn't even feel the need to explain why and there was not even any noted dissents. It was that obvious.

Our system is broken. Our courts still work as if it was 1888 and moves at the pace of a horse, when the rest of the world moves at the speed of light.

Not just that: the House rolls over every 2 years. The delays allowed by the courts just says that everyone should stonewall and hope that a friendlier House is sworn in soon.

 

[fskimospy]

Which is the craziest thing about this whole topic. It took nearly 4 years for the courts to find that a federal agency had to comply with what is an obviously legal request from Congress. SCOTUS didn't even feel the need to explain why and there was not even any noted dissents. It was that obvious.

Our system is broken. Our courts still work as if it was 1888 and moves at the pace of a horse, when the rest of the world moves at the speed of light.

Our system is broken, but not for that reason.

For example it took SCOTUS only four months from start to finish to essentially gut all legal cases challenging Trump's Muslim ban despite this was a case with very serious first amendment religious freedom questions. As of today Joe Biden's ability to manage immigration on the southern border was taken over by a right wing judge in January of 2021. SCOTUS, while leaving the lawless order in place, will now finally hear the case nearly two years later. As for when a final ruling will be issued, we are probably talking many months from now. Biden should win it (you never know with this court) but if he does that means for more than half of his term a judge was able to usurp the president's immigration authority because SCOTUS liked the policy result.

Our system CAN work quickly if the courts want it to work quickly. The only problem is when and if courts want to move quickly is up to them. So sure - the tax return case was so entirely obvious it should have been ruled on in a week but since SCOTUS wanted to protect Trump politically they were perfectly happy to make it drag out for years. Another reason to pack the court.

 

[eelw]

Our system CAN work quickly if the courts want it to work quickly. The only problem is when and if courts want to move quickly is up to them.

While I’m not saying it’s not important, SCOTUS was holding hearing yesterday on a website developer refusing to follow state law about discrimination

State laws for thee, not for me

 

[fskimospy]

While I’m not saying it’s not important, SCOTUS was holding hearing yesterday on a website developer refusing to follow state law about discrimination

Amusingly (and infuriatingly for people who dislike double standards) this is another case of SCOTUS' corruption. There is zero chance they would have heard this if the situation were somehow reversed because the woman in question here clearly lacks standing. This is not a case where the state is requiring her to provide a service. This is not even a case where the woman in question provides website design for weddings at all. In addition, the state is not requiring her to speak in any particular way, if she DID decide to offer a wedding website someday she could literally cover it with anti-gay marriage slogans and Colorado would be fine with it. This is a case where this woman says she might someday want to offer wedding website services and in that hypothetical future she might craft something that Colorado might require her to sell to the entire public.

Generally speaking under US law 'I might someday want to do this' is not sufficient injury to get into court. That is unless SCOTUS agrees with your policy views, that is.

All that aside we all know with absolute certainty that the reason it took four years for SCOTUS to decide on Trump's taxes had zero to do with them not finding the time.

 

[Pens1566]

While I’m not saying it’s not important, SCOTUS was holding hearing yesterday on a website developer refusing to follow state law about discrimination

State laws for thee, not for me

And in that case, she's never actually been asked to work for the protected class she refuses to serve. It's a fucking hypothetical scenario and the court granted cert anyway.

 

[eelw]

Committee votes to send to full house vote. Release the KRAKEN!!!

 

[pete6032]

What are you guys thinking will come out of this? Because I don’t see anything happening.

Nothing will happen. Even if its evident he committed massive tax fraud. His supports will not care, his detractors will be angry, and Democrats will refer it for criminal investigation.

Even though nothing will happen, I have to applaud Democrats for doing the right thing and exposing him for who he is.

 

[Dave_5k]

Nothing will happen. Even if its evident he committed massive tax fraud. His supports will not care, his detractors will be angry, and Democrats will refer it for criminal investigation.

Even though nothing will happen, I have to applaud Democrats for doing the right thing and exposing him for who he is.

If it is just his personal returns, there likely won't be much to see that can be deciphered beyond the big headlines of losses/deductions claimed offsetting all his income. Would not only need all of the associated business returns where he holds most of his income, but also an in-depth external auditor review of comparative bank statements and some qualified tax attorneys to review what were legal, borderline, or flat out illegal tax avoidance actions in how cash was transferred and used for Trump's benefit without claiming it as income.

I don't believe the House has this information to release, so basically all they can give is the meaningless headline of Trump paid no significant (personal) taxes most years, without the info to see how specifically this was achieved and to what degree associated actions were or should be illegal.

Edit: I do see from reporting that Congress had requested 8 of Trumps business entities also, so there might be a bit more info (and a lot more pages) to dig into

 

[Moonbeam]

None but those motivated to protect their ego identifications didn't know that Trump was a criminal psychopath the moment he announced a bid for President in 2016, were they not exposed to his character previously.

We have a situation where a fine form of government set up by profoundly wise men has been corrupted even to the last bastion of safeguard, the Supreme Court. You can pack the court but the rot will slowly overtake even that. Nobody will look at the root of the problem and so no real fix is possible.

 

[sportage]

For all these years Trump has claimed his taxes could not be released due to audit. Now we learn from this release that no such audit ever existed. The claim of ongoing audit was all lies, just like his claims of a stolen election were and are all lies. Face it Trumpues, your leader lies. He lies to your face. Trump lies to your face and knows he is lying to your face. However, Trump doesn't care about lying and his trumpies don't care about being lied to. They don't and will not care that their messiah lies to their face. Hey trumpies, can you not find a leader less corruptible as your messiah, oh say some mass murderer or serial killer? You know... someone more believable? Somewith a even hint of morals? You should try.

 

[HomerJS]

Post Nixon mandatory Presidential tax audits were required. That didn’t happen with Steve Mnuchin in charge of Treasury for the first two years.

Trump's Taxes: I.R.S. Didn’t Audit Trump for 2 Years in Office, House Committee Says (Published 2022)

The House Ways and Means Committee voted to release six years of Mr. Trump’s tax returns, and members revealed that the I.R.S. failed to follow its own policy because it did not audit Mr. Trump during his first two years in office. It may be days before the tax information is revealed.

www.nytimes.com

 

[KMFJD]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1605294103641567232

oh please, please

 

[Fenixgoon]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1605294103641567232

oh please, please

i feel like every time republicans think they have a good counter, it has the near-guaranteed potential to backfire spectacularly

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Nothing will happen. Even if its evident he committed massive tax fraud. His supports will not care, his detractors will be angry, and Democrats will refer it for criminal investigation.

Even though nothing will happen, I have to applaud Democrats for doing the right thing and exposing him for who he is.

I thinks it’s a summary of his filing while he was President. I agree this appears to be worthless unless you like petty bickering about what should or should not have been claimed/written off.