Trump to AOC + progressives in Congress: Why don't you go back to where you came from.. you can't leave fast enough!

[darkswordsman17]

But that comes back to what I've said several times already (nobody listens to me ), That even if that is true, even if it is just a 'wedge issue distraction', using people in that way as a means rather than an end, spreading ideas that are damaging to a group in order to further some other agenda, is _still racism_. The racism is in the contempt involved in not caring about the group you harm, even if inflicting harm is not the primary purpose but just a side-effect.

Exactly. I've said the same thing about the alleged "trolling" shit. It doesn't matter if you're trolling as a white supremacist, you're still enabling the white supremacists and acting exactly like one. If you say racist shit, you should be treated as a racist. Its only people that agree with what was said desperately trying to claim they're not racists which are taking issue with calling it racist.

I would say the explicit denigration harm might not be the immediate prime purpose of individual instances of racism, but its always the primary goal. They're not spewing racist shit because they're non-racist. They're spewing racist shit because they are both racist and trying to use it to manipulate the situation and other people.

 

[HomerJS]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1151899260054646784

This is a lie. Anybody can look at the video and see him pausing for over 10 seconds to let the chant build, taking it in.

Trump had his chance at a John McCain moment. He didn't take and will now try to lie his way out of it.

Of course his lemmings will believe it, not what they saw in the recording because Trump tells them. Watch for the Trump excuses here.

 

[K1052]

Trump had his chance at a John McCain moment. He didn't take and will now try to lie his way out of it.

Of course his lemmings will believe it, not what they saw in the recording because Trump tells them. Watch for the Trump excuses here.

Word is that House GOP wanted him to back off some and this is what he chose to do.

As dissatisfaction with even a minimal concession that involved lying about what he did mounts I'd expect him to double down again soon.

 

[Sunburn74]

Trump had his chance at a John McCain moment. He didn't take and will now try to lie his way out of it.

Of course his lemmings will believe it, not what they saw in the recording because Trump tells them. Watch for the Trump excuses here.

Oh yeah. I almost forgot that this is the same POS guy who was slandering the dead John McCain. Quality leader he is.

 

[Jhhnn]

Trump doesn't care. If the first thing he says only pleases half his followers, he'll say the opposite the next day to get the other half. He knows what he's doing. He inspires people to only hear what they want to hear.

 

[Jhhnn]

Trump doesn't care. If the first thing he says only pleases half his followers, he'll say the opposite the next day to get the other half. He knows what he's doing. He inspires people to only hear what they want to hear.

 

[Starbuck1975]

So are you saying that it's ok because they're bigots and not racists?

It’s never ok. But racism has a very specific connotation in American politics. There are lingering cultural stereotypes that don’t get treated with the same level of outrage as racism does.

Or are just showing us how 200+ years of nativists chicken-littling that "immigrants would never assimilate" were completely wrong, as the children and grandchildren of immigrants became the next generations of nativists?

America for Americans, but culturally, what does it mean to be American? Conservatives and liberals currently share very little common ground on what that means, and both are quite convinced they’re right.

Trump want a narrative focused on race, the media is happy to oblige, and here we are endlessly debating it. I can’t remember the last time I saw a news article on say Warren’s policy positions.

 

[ivwshane]

It’s never ok. But racism has a very specific connotation in American politics. There are lingering cultural stereotypes that don’t get treated with the same level of outrage as racism does.


America for Americans, but culturally, what does it mean to be American? Conservatives and liberals currently share very little common ground on what that means, and both are quite convinced they’re right.

Trump want a narrative focused on race, the media is happy to oblige, and here we are endlessly debating it. I can’t remember the last time I saw a news article on say Warren’s policy positions.

The only one debating here is the idiot who doesn't understand racism (that would be you).

Less than 12 hours ago.

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/07/18/elizabeth-warren-wall-street-economy-1599221

https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/18/politics/elizabeth-warren-wall-street-plan/index.html

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2019/07/elizabeth-warren-plan-private-equity-postal-banking/

https://www.wsj.com/articles/elizabeth-warren-takes-aim-at-private-equity-funds-11563454803

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/07/18/eli...ations-targeting-private-equity-industry.html

https://www.newsweek.com/warren-wall-street-private-equity-banking-1450046

https://www.msnbc.com/stephanie-ruh...-wall-street-in-new-economic-plan-64079941878

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...ty-in-new-wall-street-proposals-idUSKCN1UD1WK

https://www.bostonglobe.com/news/po...zed-looting/mW6YNILc1Hq2996hLYyhFM/story.html

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/videos/2019-07-18/warren-s-wall-street-crackdown-video

https://thehill.com/homenews/campai...-street-with-regulations-in-new-economic-plan

https://fortune.com/2019/07/18/elizabeth-warren-wall-street-act/

http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019...n-targets-her-favorite-enemy-wall-street.html

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/elizab...es-proposes-curbs-on-wall-street-in-new-bill/

https://www.foxbusiness.com/economy/warren-private-equity-vampire-plan


Right about now is when you should realize you live in a bubble.

 

[brycejones]

Trump want a narrative focused on race, the media is happy to oblige, and here we are endlessly debating it. I can’t remember the last time I saw a news article on say Warren’s policy positions.

Be the change you want instead of spending page after page dancing on the head of a pin.

 

[VRAMdemon]

It’s never ok. But racism has a very specific connotation in American politics. There are lingering cultural stereotypes that don’t get treated with the same level of outrage as racism does.


America for Americans, but culturally, what does it mean to be American? Conservatives and liberals currently share very little common ground on what that means, and both are quite convinced they’re right.

Trump want a narrative focused on race, the media is happy to oblige, and here we are endlessly debating it. I can’t remember the last time I saw a news article on say Warren’s policy positions.

I somewhat agree with the bolded. Don't be baited by Trumps hate filled rhetoric and tactics. Don't be pulled off topic. Stick with issues. The Dems need to go back to issues like wealth inequality, corruption, medicare, the looming loss of insurance coverage for millions thanks to a right wing activism. I'm not saying abandon The GOP's embrace of racism - Just don't forget about the issues that will be crucial to building a coalition, and by coalition, I mean getting somewhere north of 50 percent of the electorate. Ideally 55% but given recent electoral history, 50% or better would be an achievement.

Trump loves this shit - pouring gasoline on a fire is his specialty. He relishes a fight. He has said this and demonstrated it over and over. Disengage. Ignoring his bullshit is sometimes the best way to drive a bully nuts. Trump doesn't want to run against Biden or Harris; he wants to run against Ilhan Omar. Every time the Squad engages his baiting bullshit they give the Republicans more fodder for their hit pieces. Lay low. Numbers matter and that the good you can do now is usually better than the perfect you want, but can't achieve.

 

[Starbuck1975]

The only one debating here is the idiot who doesn't understand racism (that would be you).

Less than 12 hours ago.

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/07/18/elizabeth-warren-wall-street-economy-1599221

https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/18/politics/elizabeth-warren-wall-street-plan/index.html

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2019/07/elizabeth-warren-plan-private-equity-postal-banking/

https://www.wsj.com/articles/elizabeth-warren-takes-aim-at-private-equity-funds-11563454803

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/07/18/eli...ations-targeting-private-equity-industry.html

https://www.newsweek.com/warren-wall-street-private-equity-banking-1450046

https://www.msnbc.com/stephanie-ruh...-wall-street-in-new-economic-plan-64079941878

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...ty-in-new-wall-street-proposals-idUSKCN1UD1WK

https://www.bostonglobe.com/news/po...zed-looting/mW6YNILc1Hq2996hLYyhFM/story.html

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/videos/2019-07-18/warren-s-wall-street-crackdown-video

https://thehill.com/homenews/campai...-street-with-regulations-in-new-economic-plan

https://fortune.com/2019/07/18/elizabeth-warren-wall-street-act/

http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019...n-targets-her-favorite-enemy-wall-street.html

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/elizab...es-proposes-curbs-on-wall-street-in-new-bill/

https://www.foxbusiness.com/economy/warren-private-equity-vampire-plan


Right about now is when you should realize you live in a bubble.

Right about now is when I realize I need to explain my reasoning in more simplistic terms for idiots like you. You knew what I meant.

None of those articles are trending or headlines or part of any attention grabbing national news cycle. They are out there for people willing to search for them. How many P&N threads do we have on any one of those articles? All I see is a lot of Trump Trump Trump Trump.

 

[Starbuck1975]

Be the change you want instead of spending page after page dancing on the head of a pin.

We have at least three threads going on the same topic, and many more that are just variations of the same Trump discussion. Don’t believe it’s me who needs to change, but happy to use my pin to pop your bubble once I am done with my dance routine.

 

[ivwshane]

Right about now is when I realize I need to explain my reasoning in more simplistic terms for idiots like you. You knew what I meant.

None of those articles are trending or headlines or part of any attention grabbing national news cycle. They are out there for people willing to search for them. How many P&N threads do we have on any one of those articles? All I see is a lot of Trump Trump Trump Trump.

How many threads have you created about Democrat policies? How many trump threads have you participated in? Yeah, go look in the mirror.

 

[JSt0rm]

Look at this 1st grader triggered over Likes.

Repeating my insult back at me is elementary.

 

[Starbuck1975]

How many threads have you created about Democrat policies? How many trump threads have you participated in? Yeah, go look in the mirror.

I can’t remember the last time I created a thread. I probably participate in a lot of Trump theads because the majority of threads are about Trump and I don’t subscribe to cry wolf alarmism.

 

[Vic]

It’s never ok. But racism has a very specific connotation in American politics. There are lingering cultural stereotypes that don’t get treated with the same level of outrage as racism does.


America for Americans, but culturally, what does it mean to be American? Conservatives and liberals currently share very little common ground on what that means, and both are quite convinced they’re right.

Trump want a narrative focused on race, the media is happy to oblige, and here we are endlessly debating it. I can’t remember the last time I saw a news article on say Warren’s policy positions.

I define what it means be an American citizen using the Constitution, specifically the 14a. If a person is born here, or legally immigrated here and became naturalized as a citizen, then they are an American, and as such are guaranteed to equal protection of the laws.

Trump's "narrative" erodes at that Constitutionally-protected right, confusing people into believing that some Americans are more American than others, and thus somehow entitled to greater and/or unequal protection of the law, etc. This "narrative" is ironically un-American. And when coming from the President, unconstitutional.

 

[Jhhnn]

America for Americans, but culturally, what does it mean to be American? Conservatives and liberals currently share very little common ground on what that means, and both are quite convinced they’re right.

Heh. At least the GOP quit preaching about their superior values, huh? They threw away whatever was left of them when they voted for Trump.

 

[JSt0rm]

Heh. At least the GOP quit preaching about their superior values, huh? They threw away whatever was left of them when they voted for Trump.

Oh they will go back to criticizing dems for not being enough alt-white as soon as trump is gone.

 

[Victorian Gray]

Not racism. Jewish scholars classify anti-semiticism as a distinct and seperate targeting of the Jewish identity. The Nazis also had racist views towards people of color. They also targeted others like gays and gypsies. The Nazis were also Allies with Italy and Japan. Sort of complicates the whole racism narrative.

Yeah, tell the scholars at the Holocaust Museum that they don't know what they're taking about. Your obfuscation is noted, yet again, and rejected, yet again.

And I am explaining why the people doing the explaining are wrong.

No, what you are doing is denying the historical record. I can only wonder why

 

[JEDIYoda]

Not racism. Jewish scholars classify anti-semiticism as a distinct and seperate targeting of the Jewish identity. The Nazis also had racist views towards people of color. They also targeted others like gays and gypsies. The Nazis were also Allies with Italy and Japan. Sort of complicates the whole racism narrative.


And I am explaining why the people doing the explaining are wrong.

Holier than thou attitude....

 

[Lanyap]

I somewhat agree with the bolded. Don't be baited by Trumps hate filled rhetoric and tactics. Don't be pulled off topic. Stick with issues. The Dems need to go back to issues like wealth inequality, corruption, medicare, the looming loss of insurance coverage for millions thanks to a right wing activism. I'm not saying abandon The GOP's embrace of racism - Just don't forget about the issues that will be crucial to building a coalition, and by coalition, I mean getting somewhere north of 50 percent of the electorate. Ideally 55% but given recent electoral history, 50% or better would be an achievement.

Trump loves this shit - pouring gasoline on a fire is his specialty. He relishes a fight. He has said this and demonstrated it over and over. Disengage. Ignoring his bullshit is sometimes the best way to drive a bully nuts. Trump doesn't want to run against Biden or Harris; he wants to run against Ilhan Omar. Every time the Squad engages his baiting bullshit they give the Republicans more fodder for their hit pieces. Lay low. Numbers matter and that the good you can do now is usually better than the perfect you want, but can't achieve.

You’re correct.

 

[K1052]

Word is that House GOP wanted him to back off some and this is what he chose to do.

As dissatisfaction with even a minimal concession that involved lying about what he did mounts I'd expect him to double down again soon.

Less than a day. For the record Trump's net approval in MN is about -15.

 

[Homerboy]

I'm not too fond of memes, but I saw one the other day that I thought was pretty solid.
It simply said something along the lines of

"If you don't think that 'Go back to where you came from' isn't racist, go into work and say it to any black/brown person and find out what HR has to say about it"

 

[mikeymikec]

I somewhat agree with the bolded. Don't be baited by Trumps hate filled rhetoric and tactics. Don't be pulled off topic. Stick with issues.

The problem is, in a sane world, Trump's rhetoric is an issue. It's an issue that should have had his ass kicked to the curb before becoming President. While substantial political news (like say someone competent advocating something realistic) should also be reported, reminding the populace that the US President is a deplorable piece of shit in just about every way - is important, lest he's mistaken for someone who should be representing the public's interests.

The press shouldn't drop their standards because the President is as worthless as an Internet troll.

I wonder whether there's other ways of putting his utter incompetence into focus though, for example in a summary of the week's news, the author/presenter says:

"In response to a question about foreign policy for country X, Trump responded with <insert Trump's response that should leave people wondering whether he ever stopped eating lead paint chips or maybe had an lighter-fluid-laced pacifier as a child of an inbred family>.

In contrast, this is what various Democratic candidates had to say in response to that question...."

 

[Homerboy]

The problem is, in a sane world, Trump's rhetoric is an issue. It's an issue that should have had his ass kicked to the curb before becoming President. While substantial political news (like say someone competent advocating something realistic) should also be reported, reminding the populace that the US President is a deplorable piece of shit in just about every way - is important, lest he's mistaken for someone who should be representing the public's interests.

The press shouldn't drop their standards because the President is as worthless as an Internet troll.

I wonder whether there's other ways of putting his utter incompetence into focus though, for example in a summary of the week's news, the author/presenter says:

"In response to a question about foreign policy for country X, Trump responded with <insert Trump's response that should leave people wondering whether he ever stopped eating lead paint chips or maybe had an lighter-fluid-laced pacifier as a child of an inbred family>.

In contrast, this is what various Democratic candidates had to say in response to that question...."

I was saying this before his election... before his nomination.
Take all the politics and policies out of the equation. Is Trump, the human, a good person? Somebody that bestows American (or even human) qualities? Is he somebody you "like" and would want your kids to act like?

For some the answer would still be "yes". But those are pretty much lost causes I think. The republicans that still have (had?) a conscious and a moral compass decided to ignore Trump the person so they didn't have to vote against company lines and/or for "Killary".

 

[IronWing]

Less than a day. For the record Trump's net approval in MN is about -15.


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Trump picked up on the "foul-mouthed" trope from Fox News that originated in Omar quoting Trump. Can we fit Trump with a shock collar for when he does shit like this?