Trump to AOC + progressives in Congress: Why don't you go back to where you came from.. you can't leave fast enough!

[VRAMdemon]

The problem is, in a sane world, Trump's rhetoric is an issue. It's an issue that should have had his ass kicked to the curb before becoming President. While substantial political news (like say someone competent advocating something realistic) should also be reported, reminding the populace that the US President is a deplorable piece of shit in just about every way - is important, lest he's mistaken for someone who should be representing the public's interests.

The press shouldn't drop their standards because the President is as worthless as an Internet troll.

I wonder whether there's other ways of putting his utter incompetence into focus though, for example in a summary of the week's news, the author/presenter says:

"In response to a question about foreign policy for country X, Trump responded with <insert Trump's response that should leave people wondering whether he ever stopped eating lead paint chips or maybe had an lighter-fluid-laced pacifier as a child of an inbred family>.

In contrast, this is what various Democratic candidates had to say in response to that question...."

Of course call him out on his bullshit, but don't make the mistake of letting his bullshit rule the day and the issues facing the American people take a back seat. He's going to keep attacking and attacking them on Twitter and on camera. I'd like to see her just respond on Twitter every time with something like "racist gonna racist - news at 11" and then go media silent. His little con game is to disparage them as "radical" and "foul mouthed" and other dumb shit and make them the face of the Democratic party in the country's popular imagination.

If the extreme left is determined to hijack the party and drive away anyone who isn't 100% on board with their agenda. Independents may not vote for DJT like they did in 2016 but they may well just stay at home rather than vote.

Thomas Friedman piece addresses the Democrats:

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/16/opinion/trump-2020.html

..Win the presidency, hold the House and narrow the spread in the Senate, and a lot of good things still can be accomplished. “No,” you say, “the left wants a revolution now!” O.K., I’ll give the left a revolution now: four more years of Donald Trump.

That will be a revolution.

Four years of Trump feeling validated in all the crazy stuff he’s done and said.Four years of Trump unburdened by the need to run for re-election and able to amplify his racism, make Ivanka secretary of state, appoint even more crackpots to his cabinet and likely get to name two right-wing Supreme Court justices under the age of 40.

Yes sir, that will be a revolution!

It will be an overthrow of all the norms, values, rules and institutions that we cherish, that made us who we are and that have united us in this common project called the United States of America.

There is plenty of room for people on the hard left in the Democratic Party. But the left does have an element of "purity police" and it isn't just Bernie supporters. This past weekend Dale Peck had a very nasty piece on Buttigieg in the New Republic. Harris has been attacked as not being "black enough" and because she worked as a prosecutor. I have heard a lot of Democrats say no way will they vote for Biden if he is the nominee for no reason other than he is a white male. This kind of crap will accomplish nothing more than getting Trump elected to a second term.

I have no issue with 'the squad' beyond the extent to which it will help Trump if he succeeds at making them the face of the Democratic Party heading up to 2020. I don't have an issue with the things they are advocating for the most part but the overriding issue for me in 2020 is to take the White House back from the GOP.

It doesn't matter one bit how many more votes the far left agenda brings in in California, Illinois or New York. Those states will go to the Democrats either way. What the Democrats have to do to win is to avoid alienating voters in Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania who voted for Obama but went to Trump in 2016. Moving hard left rather than talking about issues that matter to blue collar voters in those states will give Trump a second term.

 

[VRAMdemon]

Less than a day. For the record Trump's net approval in MN is about -15.


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Trumphumper - "Democrats talk down to me and sometimes tell me things I don't want to hear. President Trump lies to me in words I can understand!" "They all lie anyway, so I'll go with the guy whose lies I like!"

 

[soundforbjt]

Of course call him out on his bullshit, but don't make the mistake of letting his bullshit rule the day and the issues facing the American people take a back seat. He's going to keep attacking and attacking them on Twitter and on camera. I'd like to see her just respond on Twitter every time with something like "racist gonna racist - news at 11" and then go media silent. His little con game is to disparage them as "radical" and "foul mouthed" and other dumb shit and make them the face of the Democratic party in the country's popular imagination.

If the extreme left is determined to hijack the party and drive away anyone who isn't 100% on board with their agenda. Independents may not vote for DJT like they did in 2016 but they may well just stay at home rather than vote.

Thomas Friedman piece addresses the Democrats:

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/16/opinion/trump-2020.html



There is plenty of room for people on the hard left in the Democratic Party. But the left does have an element of "purity police" and it isn't just Bernie supporters. This past weekend Dale Peck had a very nasty piece on Buttigieg in the New Republic. Harris has been attacked as not being "black enough" and because she worked as a prosecutor. I have heard a lot of Democrats say no way will they vote for Biden if he is the nominee for no reason other than he is a white male. This kind of crap will accomplish nothing more than getting Trump elected to a second term.

I have no issue with 'the squad' beyond the extent to which it will help Trump if he succeeds at making them the face of the Democratic Party heading up to 2020. I don't have an issue with the things they are advocating for the most part but the overriding issue for me in 2020 is to take the White House back from the GOP.

It doesn't matter one bit how many more votes the far left agenda brings in in California, Illinois or New York. Those states will go to the Democrats either way. What the Democrats have to do to win is to avoid alienating voters in Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania who voted for Obama but went to Trump in 2016. Moving hard left rather than talking about issues that matter to blue collar voters in those states will give Trump a second term.

It's the Democrats election to lose, playing into Trump's hand won't get them to their goal. Did they learn nothing from the midterms? Ignore Trump and focus on the issues and you win.

 

[SMOGZINN]

Those states will go to the Democrats either way. What the Democrats have to do to win is to avoid alienating voters in Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania who voted for Obama but went to Trump in 2016. Moving hard left rather than talking about issues that matter to blue collar voters in those states will give Trump a second term.

Shouldn't this argument go the same the other way? Trump has definitely taken the Republican party hard right, way harder than the likes of AOC have gone to the left. Why are they not worried that by going so far right they will alienate all the people that who voted for Obama but went to Trump in 2016? The truth is that AOC and other far left members of the Democratic party are a small portion of the total Democrats running, and none of the Presidential candidates are that far left, but the Republicans has fully embraced the farthest right wing candidates we have ever seen, and pretty much forced every candidate to adopt the far right stances of those candidates.

 

[ivwshane]

Of course call him out on his bullshit, but don't make the mistake of letting his bullshit rule the day and the issues facing the American people take a back seat. He's going to keep attacking and attacking them on Twitter and on camera. I'd like to see her just respond on Twitter every time with something like "racist gonna racist - news at 11" and then go media silent. His little con game is to disparage them as "radical" and "foul mouthed" and other dumb shit and make them the face of the Democratic party in the country's popular imagination.

If the extreme left is determined to hijack the party and drive away anyone who isn't 100% on board with their agenda. Independents may not vote for DJT like they did in 2016 but they may well just stay at home rather than vote.

Thomas Friedman piece addresses the Democrats:

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/16/opinion/trump-2020.html



There is plenty of room for people on the hard left in the Democratic Party. But the left does have an element of "purity police" and it isn't just Bernie supporters. This past weekend Dale Peck had a very nasty piece on Buttigieg in the New Republic. Harris has been attacked as not being "black enough" and because she worked as a prosecutor. I have heard a lot of Democrats say no way will they vote for Biden if he is the nominee for no reason other than he is a white male. This kind of crap will accomplish nothing more than getting Trump elected to a second term.

I have no issue with 'the squad' beyond the extent to which it will help Trump if he succeeds at making them the face of the Democratic Party heading up to 2020. I don't have an issue with the things they are advocating for the most part but the overriding issue for me in 2020 is to take the White House back from the GOP.

It doesn't matter one bit how many more votes the far left agenda brings in in California, Illinois or New York. Those states will go to the Democrats either way. What the Democrats have to do to win is to avoid alienating voters in Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania who voted for Obama but went to Trump in 2016. Moving hard left rather than talking about issues that matter to blue collar voters in those states will give Trump a second term.

Hard left? Extreme left? You've already bought into the trump narrative.

 

[IronWing]

Of course call him out on his bullshit, but don't make the mistake of letting his bullshit rule the day and the issues facing the American people take a back seat. He's going to keep attacking and attacking them on Twitter and on camera. I'd like to see her just respond on Twitter every time with something like "racist gonna racist - news at 11" and then go media silent. His little con game is to disparage them as "radical" and "foul mouthed" and other dumb shit and make them the face of the Democratic party in the country's popular imagination.

If the extreme left is determined to hijack the party and drive away anyone who isn't 100% on board with their agenda. Independents may not vote for DJT like they did in 2016 but they may well just stay at home rather than vote.

Thomas Friedman piece addresses the Democrats:

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/16/opinion/trump-2020.html



There is plenty of room for people on the hard left in the Democratic Party. But the left does have an element of "purity police" and it isn't just Bernie supporters. This past weekend Dale Peck had a very nasty piece on Buttigieg in the New Republic. Harris has been attacked as not being "black enough" and because she worked as a prosecutor. I have heard a lot of Democrats say no way will they vote for Biden if he is the nominee for no reason other than he is a white male. This kind of crap will accomplish nothing more than getting Trump elected to a second term.

I have no issue with 'the squad' beyond the extent to which it will help Trump if he succeeds at making them the face of the Democratic Party heading up to 2020. I don't have an issue with the things they are advocating for the most part but the overriding issue for me in 2020 is to take the White House back from the GOP.

It doesn't matter one bit how many more votes the far left agenda brings in in California, Illinois or New York. Those states will go to the Democrats either way. What the Democrats have to do to win is to avoid alienating voters in Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania who voted for Obama but went to Trump in 2016. Moving hard left rather than talking about issues that matter to blue collar voters in those states will give Trump a second term.

You're mixing up Republican claims with actual Dem infighting. Harris was declared "not black enough" by Republicans, not Dems. Again, if the Dems run on "hard left" issues, they win. Attempting to mollify conservatives is a fool's errand for the Dems.

 

[SMOGZINN]

Hard left? Extreme left? You've already bought into the trump narrative.

I agree, the so called 'hard left' people are not really that progressive. Sure, they have a few policies that are really progressive, but for the most part we have reached a point where 'don't be a dick' is considered a socialism.

 

[VRAMdemon]

It's the Democrats election to lose, playing into Trump's hand won't get them to their goal. Did they learn nothing from the midterms? Ignore Trump and focus on the issues and you win.

Trump is misplaying the race card a bit. Trump wants to make The Squad the face of the Democratic party, and to do that, he needs to amp up the racism by suggesting that they're anti-American. That will work with the racists in his base, but I'm not sure that's what would crack up the independents, many of whom probably find his attacks distasteful.

In short, I don't think the real damage of this 'strategy' (a debatable term,) has really been inflicted yet. The real damage is yet to come. The real threat that this approach poses comes from the potential of splitting Democrats bitterly in terms of how to respond, and which of its constituencies to favor when responding tactically. We saw this a few weeks ago when Democrats started sniping at each other over border wall funding. And we caught another glimpse of this yesterday when Rep. Green's impeachment resolution was rejected, but with a growing party split. The question I have is, how much longer are the activist Democrats going to tolerate the center?

The danger doesn't come from Trump merely characterizing the Democrats as a party hijacked by the Squad; the deeper danger, is the possibility that the party itself could be taken over by perceived radicalism. And if that happens, then they would put independents in the position of asking themselves if the Democratic party is necessarily any better than voting for the Republicans. If the progressives get nasty and personal with their own party's centrist and moderate factions, then not only do they become less attractive to moderate Democrats, but they also become less attractive to independents as well. Trump can't win a conventional race against a conventional candidate coming from a conventional Democratic party; he's trying to make it so that he doesn't have to compete in that kind of race.

 

[VRAMdemon]

Hard left? Extreme left? You've already bought into the trump narrative.

Well, we disagree then. I have "bought" nothing. Just looking at the reality of the situation. The democrats are sniping at each other. 2 factions are emerging. maybe I'm wrong. we'll see

 

[IronWing]

Well, we disagree then. I have "bought" nothing. Just looking at the reality of the situation. The democrats are sniping at each other. 2 factions are emerging. maybe I'm wrong. we'll see

Two Dem factions are sniping but with nowhere near the level of vitriol portrayed by conservative media. Neither faction are "hard left".

 

[SMOGZINN]

Well, we disagree then. I have "bought" nothing. Just looking at the reality of the situation. The democrats are sniping at each other. 2 factions are emerging. maybe I'm wrong. we'll see

It is worth remembering that we are in the primaries, the Democrats are campaigning against each other right now. This is part of the process the party uses to decide the direction they will go in the coming election. Come the general election the direction will be decided and they will be cooperating again.

 

[VRAMdemon]

Two Dem factions are sniping but with nowhere near the level of vitriol portrayed by conservative media. Neither faction are "hard left".

Again , I disagree. they are sniping at each other enough in public to have the speaker being accused of being a bigot by members of her own party.

I will say this - Pelosi needs to remind her caucus and the nation that Democrats are a broad, mainstream party, not just a wish-fulfillment fantasy of a small faction of party members that just don't have the numbers. As they try to move forward, working on such crucial issues that face Americans such as healthcare affordability and the like, they’ll need to find a way to put the heart of the party on display. Not just the four faces that Trumps and his team wants the public to see.

 

[VRAMdemon]

It is worth remembering that we are in the primaries, the Democrats are campaigning against each other right now. This is part of the process the party uses to decide the direction they will go in the coming election. Come the general election the direction will be decided and they will be cooperating again.

I agree here, we'll see how it plays out. I just don't want to see a repeat of 2016 when a large section of Democrats stayed home because the candidate of choice didn't meet the "purity" test. Stay home - thats a vote for Trump

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

It is worth remembering that we are in the primaries, the Democrats are campaigning against each other right now. This is part of the process the party uses to decide the direction they will go in the coming election. Come the general election the direction will be decided and they will be cooperating again.

Yep, this is pretty par for the course for every election, the competition is healthy for inter-party politics. It just seems like a big deal because of the 900lb orange gorilla in the room.

 

[compuwiz1]

It looks like they are going back....back to whatever they were doing before they became congress women. They're not going to serve, but one term. One and done. In the end, they're gonna end up in the has been heap, with or without Trump. They a are nuisance to the entrenched career people, like Pelosi, who have the ability to make their lives hard.

 

[cytg111]

Yes, do climax to that thought and then get back to business of contemplating why Trump using the N word doesnt make him racist either. You might as well get the thought process in order you know its coming.. wait was that moment already here? Along with etc etc etc.

 

[Indus]

It looks like they are going back....back to whatever they were doing before they became congress women. They're not going to serve, but one term. One and done. In the end, they're gonna end up in the has been heap, with or without Trump. They a are nuisance to the entrenched career people, like Pelosi, who have the ability to make their lives hard.

She got 78.2% of the vote last time around. How do you plan on stealing 38.3% of the vote?

 

[hal2kilo]

She got 78.2% of the vote last time around. How do you plan on stealing 38.3% of the vote?

Only the wiz knows.

 

[Vic]

It looks like they are going back....back to whatever they were doing before they became congress women. They're not going to serve, but one term. One and done. In the end, they're gonna end up in the has been heap, with or without Trump. They a are nuisance to the entrenched career people, like Pelosi, who have the ability to make their lives hard.

You do know that the districts are all Democratic strongholds with double digit D+ PVI's, yes? The only way they're going to be one-termers is if they get primaried.

 

[Indus]

Only the wiz knows.

He doesn't understand she is more popular in NY than Steve King is in Iowa. That guy won his seat by a hair and AOC by miles!

 

[Indus]

You do know that the districts are all Democratic strongholds with double digit D+ PVI's, yes? The only way they're going to be one-termers is if they get primaried.

Not just that.. she has a solid base.

I wrote her off as a fluke after seeing the Tiffany Caban/ Melinda Katz primary. Her district voted 90% for her endorsement against what the establishment wanted.

She could shoot someone on 5th avenue and she wouldn't lose voters!

 

[Vic]

I'm just saying that, statistically, it is more likely that Wyoming's at-large district will flip blue before any one of those 4 districts will flip red.
Or that you might as well as believe that Portland, Seattle, and San Francisco will all go Trump.
Posting stupid like this is why people here believe that Compuwiz is either a troll, or has rotted out his brain with talk radio.

 

[Indus]

I'm just saying that, statistically, it is more likely that Wyoming's at-large district will flip blue before any one of those 4 districts will flip red.
Or that you might as well as believe that Portland, Seattle, and San Francisco will all go Trump.
Posting stupid like this is why people here believe that Compuwiz is either a troll, or has rotted out his brain with talk radio.

No rhyme, no reason!

 

[KMFJD]

So what's he trying to distract us from right now?

 

[dainthomas]

Well, we disagree then. I have "bought" nothing. Just looking at the reality of the situation. The democrats are sniping at each other. 2 factions are emerging. maybe I'm wrong. we'll see

The facts are that the things the "extreme left" advocates for (universal healthcare, raising taxes on ultra-wealthy etc) poll extremely well with all voters. It's only Trump and his stooges calling it "extreme left" and then the corporate media parrots it without any analysis.