Trump to AOC + progressives in Congress: Why don't you go back to where you came from.. you can't leave fast enough!

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VRAMdemon

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Trump is trolling/gaslighting, and he's doing it because he thinks that the ultimate consequence of this is that it will push the moderates further to the left. He's kicking the hornets nest that's hanging over the Democratic party. He's trying to get Pelosi and Biden in a position where moderation starts to look more and more like weakness. He's to stupid to realize Moderation does look like weakness when you have a racist demagogue in the office. It’s been looking this way long before these recent tweets. Consider the possibility that this revelation doesn’t have to be manufactured by Trump to be felt and appreciated.

People talking about how Trump is a racist: big win for Trump! Pleases his base!

People talking about how Trump has been really close to a guy who uses minors for sex? Close enough to hold a party at Mar-a-Lago for just him, Epstein and 28 girls? Maybe not so good for Trump.

...but, yeah: no one's talking about the second one, today.

Big win for Trump!

Certainly every aspect of the Trump presidency is at least generally divisive. Trump splits Americans into 'vocally oppose him' and 'vocally support him' and 'hide their heads in the sand' categories. And those categories haven't played out strictly by party lines, which is where the divisiveness comes in.

Trump doesn't have to worry about alienating black voters. He doesn't have enough black supporters to worry about. So he can safely try to drive a wedge into the Democrats. He and other Republicans can say all kinds of racist things and force the Democratic candidates to make a choice.

Do they mostly ignore Trump's racism? If they do, the right wing will put out the message that white Democrats don't really care about black people, so why should black people vote for them? Do they attack Trump's racism? If they do, the right wing will put out the message that the Democrats are the party that defends black people while the Republicans are the party that defends white people.
 

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Instead of impeachment, I'll settle for this man getting sodomized by a 3' statue of liberty replica. Seems like the most appropriate eye for an eye kind of thing to me.
 

Jaskalas

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I'm not really surprised to see such direct racism from Trump, but I am surprised at how few Republicans seem to mind.

I believe it is up to our media to bring them to task. To hold Trump supporters accountable and shame them for their crime against America.

This should rest squarely on the Republican Party. We need direct quotes from Bush and Romney, etc on this.
 

VRAMdemon

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Politicians the world over are calling his comments racist and still the GOP en masse sits silent. They are that afraid he will turn on them.

On some level, Trump understands that the natural next step for the GOP was overt white nationalism and that it provides him with an avenue for power. Instead of talking in the dog whistles that the GOP usually engages in, he just picked up a bullhorn and went all in. It wouldn't surprise me if his base starts chanting "go back where you came from" at his next rallies.

It's a mistake to believe that demagogues are necessarily competent. They're quite often dangerously incompetent when it comes to running an enterprise by conventional standards. They're quite often riddled with personal insecurities and psychosis that can be borderline crippling. But what they understand almost on some instinctive level is how to exploit and manipulate people. Trump never has been a real businessman; he's always been an organized criminal. He can't run a legal legitimate enterprise without going bankrupt, so even in his business pursuits, he's just as incompetent and unhinged as he is in his politics. And yet, he survives. He still has "Trump" on buildings all over the world. And he can do this because he has learned how to manipulate people, and he has learned how to use holes in the system to do it. By conventional standards, Trump is an impulsive buffoon, but he has a reptilian instinct for survival.

Trump isn't a mesmerizing orator. He's an entertainer with a gladiatorial style and schtick. Regardless, he manipulates and divides people all the same. It's the only way he can survive. This is how he has gone through his entire life.
 
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Indus

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Yeah I'm not sold on Trump losing 2020. If he does, it'll be super close and likely tied up in a SCOTUS decision.

My reasoning is yes we outnumber them but they have a lot of things that make EC work for them.. i.e. how are polls in MI, WI, PA, FL and other swing states?

Remember how in 2016 we assumed Hillary would win. For 2020 we can assume Trump will coast to a win unless a miracle happens.

And this whole racism isn't really surprising anymore.. we all know who he is. The Trump voters know who he is.

If anything this may be a distraction from the Epstien saga.
 
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Jhhnn

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Their home districts of course that is what Trump really meant.

Trump has achieved the ultimate mind fuck. In the minds of his devotees, whatever they believe he said is what he said, starting from the place where they believe he's absolutely wonderful. If they have any doubts, tuning into Hannity or any number of right wing mouthpieces will resolve any cognitive dissonance.
 

HomerJS

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Yeah I'm not sold on Trump losing 2020. If he does, it'll be super close and likely tied up in a SCOTUS decision.

My reasoning is yes we outnumber them but they have a lot of things that make EC work for them.. i.e. how are polls in MI, WI, PA, FL and other swing states?

Remember how in 2016 we assumed Hillary would win. For 2020 we can assume Trump will coast to a win unless a miracle happens.

And this whole racism isn't really surprising anymore.. we all know who he is. The Trump voters know who he is.

If anything this may be a distraction from the Epstien saga.
Big question is why don't their voters care? Do they feel the same way? Do these people need to be confronted with their position?
 

VRAMdemon

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Yeah I'm not sold on Trump losing 2020. If he does, it'll be super close and likely tied up in a SCOTUS decision.

My reasoning is yes we outnumber them but they have a lot of things that make EC work for them.. i.e. how are polls in MI, WI, PA, FL and other swing states?

Remember how in 2016 we assumed Hillary would win. For 2020 we can assume Trump will coast to a win unless a miracle happens.

And this whole racism isn't really surprising anymore.. we all know who he is. The Trump voters know who he is.

If anything this may be a distraction from the Epstien saga.

I think Trump knows he's in trouble..From what I understand, he's polling horribly in battleground states other than Florida. He's gaslighting on the premise that that the ultimate consequence of this is that it will push the moderate Democrats further to the left, He and his team and the GOP in general, must think this is the only way forward.

Look at Lindsey Grahams comments https://apnews.com/d83041cd003c4f6b96a192ef53b26623

Republican Sen. Lindsey Graham is advising President Donald Trump to “aim higher” following Trump’s incendiary weekend tweets about four Democratic congresswomen.

I’m pretty sure that “aim higher” means “focus on Nancy Pelosi.”
 

soundforbjt

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Big question is why don't their voters care? Do they feel the same way? Do these people need to be confronted with their position?
They don't care because they get their "news" from Fox, talk radio, and right-wing sites where it's sugar-coated and goes down easy on their brainwashed minds. Everything else is fake news.
 
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Homerboy

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I keep coming to this thread and wanting to make a comment. I type something out then delete it as it doesn't directly convey my thoughts completely and accurately.

I've gotten to the point where I really can't even fathom what is going on in this country anymore... I just don't get it. How we got here. How we stay here. And where we go from here.
I'm 45 years old and have seen a lot of things in my life. I have a solid education, and upbringing and have experienced a lot of good and bad things. This current state has me at a loss... All that keeps rambling around in my head is "I don't get it".
 
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Starbuck1975

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What Trump is doing is indefensible.

What he is doing is indicative of his political strategy.

In recent weeks. moderate Democrats have been distancing themselves from the progressive wing of the House. By doing stuff like this, Trump forced the moderate Democrats to stand with the progressive wing.

I am guessing the weekend ICE activities played into this: the lone antifa militia attack on the facility in Tacoma and the raising of the Mexican flag at the facility in Colorado.

For the record, my grandmother, who had four kids and who’s mother could barely speak english, was told to go back to where she came from. My grandfather spent a night in jail for punching the guy who said it.
 

HomerJS

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What Trump is doing is indefensible.

What he is doing is indicative of his political strategy.

In recent weeks. moderate Democrats have been distancing themselves from the progressive wing of the House. By doing stuff like this, Trump forced the moderate Democrats to stand with the progressive wing.

I am guessing the weekend ICE activities played into this: the lone antifa militia attack on the facility in Tacoma and the raising of the Mexican flag at the facility in Colorado.

For the record, my grandmother, who had four kids and could barely speak english, was told to go back to where she came from. My grandfather spent a night in jail for punching the guy who said it.
Even with the ICE raid Trump didn't give a damn about security like he claims. You don't announce a raid because of the so called security crisis.
 
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fskimospy

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What Trump is doing is indefensible.

What he is doing is indicative of his political strategy.

In recent weeks. moderate Democrats have been distancing themselves from the progressive wing of the House. By doing stuff like this, Trump forced the moderate Democrats to stand with the progressive wing.

I am guessing the weekend ICE activities played into this: the lone antifa militia attack on the facility in Tacoma and the raising of the Mexican flag at the facility in Colorado.

For the record, my grandmother, who had four kids and could barely speak english, was told to go back to where she came from. My grandfather spent a night in jail for punching the guy who said it.

While I sincerely doubt Trump is doing this strategically as he hasn’t shown the capacity for strategic thinking in anything else, if this is his strategy he’s made a huge mistake. Democrats were criticizing Democrats, which was to his advantage. Now they are unified again.
 

HomerJS

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First White House response. They seem to be saying the tweet is racist but he didn't mean it.
Marc Short defended Trump's tweets, arguing that the president's "intent" was not "in any way racist." Short said that Trump was only referring to Rep. Ilhan Omar who he falsely claimed hasn't made any "positive" comments about the US since she was elected to Congress last year.


https://www.yahoo.com/news/pences-chief-staff-defends-trumps-134725222.html
 

VRAMdemon

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While I sincerely doubt Trump is doing this strategically as he hasn’t shown the capacity for strategic thinking in anything else, if this is his strategy he’s made a huge mistake. Democrats were criticizing Democrats, which was to his advantage. Now they are unified again.

IMO i think this IS part of his stratagy - or at least, his advisers stratagy. I don't disagree that Trump is an impulsive adolescent dumbass , but he has survived many years dividing and manipulating people. He's actually good at it. He (Or his team) knew that he could win a national election using racist themes. And those instincts turned out to be right when all the experts told him he couldn't be more wrong. Trump might not know a lot, but he understands the emotions of naive, confused, ignorant people.
 

Starbuck1975

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Even with the ICE raid Trump didn't give a damn about security like he claims. You don't announce a raid because of the so called security crisis.
You announce the raid to create a response to it, or hope someone does something stupid to change the focus of the narrative.
 

HomerJS

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IMO i think this IS part of his stratagy - or at least, his advisers stratagy. I don't disagree that Trump is an impulsive adolescent dumbass , but he has survived many years dividing and manipulating people. He's actually good at it. He (Or his team) knew that he could win a national election using racist themes. And those instincts turned out to be right when all the experts told him he couldn't be more wrong. Trump might not know a lot, but he understands the emotions of naive, confused, ignorant people.
I think you are saying an electoral majority in this country are still good ole' fashioned racist and Trump knows it?
 

Starbuck1975

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While I sincerely doubt Trump is doing this strategically as he hasn’t shown the capacity for strategic thinking in anything else, if this is his strategy he’s made a huge mistake. Democrats were criticizing Democrats, which was to his advantage. Now they are unified again.
I think Trump has shown remarkable capability to control the narrative. Whether its strategic of survival instinct is open to debate. Centrist Democrats were shifting the narrative back to the center, which hurts Trump. I think he wants a unified Democrat front centered around the vocal progressive members of the House.
 
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You announce the raid to create a response to it, or hope someone does something stupid to change the focus of the narrative.
Actually it looks like they keep announcing the raids to feed the base. So far there isn't much evidence they've actually done anything. Delay, delay and so far I haven't seen much reporting from any of the major cities said to be targeted of any raids occurring. Certainly not en masse.
 
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ImpulsE69

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I keep coming to this thread and wanting to make a comment. I type something out then delete it as it doesn't directly convey my thoughts completely and accurately.

I've gotten to the point where I really can't even fathom what is going on in this country anymore... I just don't get it. How we got here. How we stay here. And where we go from here.
I'm 45 years old and have seen a lot of things in my life. I have a solid education, and upbringing and have experienced a lot of good and bad things. This current state has me at a loss... All that keeps rambling around in my head is "I don't get it".

Right there with you man. There's a lot of unhappy people out there, and a lot of people willing to take advantage of that mindset for their own personal gain.
 
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