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Blackjack200

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No, you're wrong. You're so FUCKING wrong. The point of that post was not that Trump was able to reverse things that Obama did. It's that he is reversing things because Obama did them. It's insane to reverse DACA, it benefits nobody, it serves no purpose at all, except pure schadenfreude.

What the poster got wrong is that this is a Trumpist idea. It's not. Nihilistic hatred of Dems/Liberals is a bedrock of American conservatism, and it was on full display as congress voted to repeal the ACA again and again for no reason other than their hatred.

'Why, Blackjack, whatever are you talking about?'

Geez I saw this as a possible news item and I knew it'd trigger the Lefties...not disappointed lol...

'Oh.'

lolololololololololololololol

Yeah, I try to do what I can to fight for what's right, but the attitudes of the people on the right are so absurd and sinister it's funny in a dark way.
 

chucky2

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Yeah, I try to do what I can to fight for what's right, but the attitudes of the people on the right are so absurd and sinister it's funny in a dark way.

There are 10s of millions of illegals in the country. What is right is they not be here and instead come to the country legally, both they and their children, and then remain here legally. If you don't like that, change the law. Until the law is changed, they are here illegally and thus not in the right. You were talking about absurd and sinister...?
 
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Good. If they're here illegally, they SHOULD be deported.
Yeah, why should we let rationality and common sense come into play when we can reflexively say "deport them all"?

These people came here as children, through no fault of their own, grew up here, and are every bit American as you or I, except for proper documentation. To kick them out of the only country they know is stupid, inhumane, and all around bad policy.
 

[DHT]Osiris

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Yeah, why should we let rationality and common sense come into play when we can reflexively say "deport them all"?

These people came here as children, through no fault of their own, grew up here, and are every bit American as you or I, except for proper documentation. To kick them out of the only country they know is stupid, inhumane, and all around bad policy.
Some people are just Lawful Neutral. There's no good/bad reasoning involved, just lawful/unlawful.
 
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Blackjack200

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There are 10s of millions of illegals in the country. What is right is they not be here and instead come to the country legally, both they and their children, and then remain here legally. If you don't like that, change the law. Until the law is changed, they are here illegally and thus not in the right. You were talking about absurd and sinister...?

Yeah, removing people that have lived here since childhood and know no other home is unimaginably cruel. The only way that you can even entertain something like that is if you've lost so much of your compassion and humanity that you're essentially a nihilist. Exactly what I was talking about.
 

K1052

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There are 10s of millions of illegals in the country. What is right is they not be here and instead come to the country legally, both they and their children, and then remain here legally. If you don't like that, change the law. Until the law is changed, they are here illegally and thus not in the right. You were talking about absurd and sinister...?

Any real estimation puts the number at about 11M, not 10s of millions.

The US has been quite happy to take advantage of their low cost labor for decades but now that we're all "law and order" they've gotta go. I'd support this if anybody that knowingly or unknowing has profited from illegal labor had to pay huge fines and got to spend some prison time, including our president.
 
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Thump553

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I come from a very long line of swamp yankees, When I was young my grandma showed me a book listing the people on the Mayflower and pointed one out who she said was an ancestor.. But I'm a strong believer in DACA-I KNOW that it is the immigrants that made USA great, otherwise we'd still be basically a collection of near aboriginal tribes.

But like it or not, Atreus21 hit the nail right on the head-policy set by Executive Order can just as easily be reversed by Executive Order. Obama did what he could do-he was saddled with a do-nothing, obstructionist congress. Trump has no such excuse but it is within his power to reverse DACA. It matters little whether he does so because of his hatred of all things Obama or because of his craven pandering to his zenophobic base.

What the rest of us should be doing is contacting our Congress critters (especially if yours are of the GOP variety) and insist that they personally back legislation to make DACA the law of the land. Call their office (both of your Senators and your congressional representative-those guys are very much aware of the calls they get. If they don't work your butt off to replace them. Whining and moaning is ineffectual at best.
 

Sunburn74

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There are 10s of millions of illegals in the country. What is right is they not be here and instead come to the country legally, both they and their children, and then remain here legally. If you don't like that, change the law. Until the law is changed, they are here illegally and thus not in the right. You were talking about absurd and sinister...?
It's not a question of legality. It's a question of practicality. If the IRS were to round up everyone who cheated on taxes they would gain billions in government revenue yearly easily. They probably would gain enough to offset our Medicare and social security crisis. However on so many levels to actually try and round up everyone who cheats on taxes is completely impractical and damn near impossible. Which is why less than 1% of people get audited yearly and it's mostly the same people.

The same is true with this immigration issue. We have an issue. It's acknowledged. But the hardline, deport them all solution proposed simply isn't feasible from a practical, financial, logistical, even moral and ethical point of view (if a 2 year old, non English speaking kid here illegally is found, where are you going to send him). I'm not saying I have the answers either. I'm just saying your answer is a canned one that can easily be recited but has no anchor in reality.
 

alien42

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Trump said he will make an announcement "probably Sunday, Saturday, the latest will be Monday" and that he has a good feeling about DACA.
 

agent00f

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There are 10s of millions of illegals in the country. What is right is they not be here and instead come to the country legally, both they and their children, and then remain here legally. If you don't like that, change the law. Until the law is changed, they are here illegally and thus not in the right. You were talking about absurd and sinister...?
In other words let's avoid relevant subjects you don't like, and call anyone who doesn't agree a fucking jerkoff. haha.

Discuss the merits all you want. But there's a reason Trump has been reversing much of Obama's legacy, save for Obamacare: Because Obamacare was passed by Congress.

The type dear leader really appeals to.
 

Jhhnn

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Any real estimation puts the number at about 11M, not 10s of millions.

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Chucky2 knows that. It's been pointed out & linked repeatedly but he's a post-truth kinda guy & has been for a very long time. If he didn't believe in lies he wouldn't believe in much of anything at all. They're an indispensable part of right wing ideology in general.
 

Jhhnn

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Trump said he will make an announcement "probably Sunday, Saturday, the latest will be Monday" and that he has a good feeling about DACA.

Yeh, he's probably getting a little chubby at the thought of screwing all those kids....
 

Jhhnn

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Another one of Bronco's stupid policies. Make Americans pay for foreigner's educations.

Send them home and BUILD A WALL!

lol

Not much of a deep thinker, are you? The stupid thing to do is to send them away after we've made an investment in them.
 

fskimospy

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Trump said he will make an announcement "probably Sunday, Saturday, the latest will be Monday" and that he has a good feeling about DACA.

Who cares about what he says? He seriously thinks the presidency is some sort of ratings grab and tries to drum up interest through ambiguity. There's no point in indulging his childish games about it.
 

alien42

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Who cares about what he says? He seriously thinks the presidency is some sort of ratings grab and tries to drum up interest through ambiguity. There's no point in indulging his childish games about it.

chill out and have a laugh, the fact that he said three different days in just a many total words was the entire point of my post. i am fully aware of just how hollow and meaningless his words are.
 

UglyCasanova

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Discuss the merits all you want. But there's a reason Trump has been reversing much of Obama's legacy, save for Obamacare: Because Obamacare was passed by Congress.


That's a fair point to make. Trump is an absolute douche for this and I disagree with it 100% but it's something that should have gone through Congress in the first place. We don't live in a monarchy so I disagree with the concept of executive orders to push through legislation whether it be Obama or Trump or whomever.

If Republicans want to survive this they need to get out in front of it now and pass something akin to DACA, otherwise they can kiss the Latino vote goodbye for good.
 
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dphantom

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That's a fair point to make. Trump is an absolute douche for this and I disagree with it 100% but it's something that should have gone through Congress in the first place. We don't live in a monarchy so I disagree with the concept of executive orders to push through legislation whether it be Obama or Trump or whomever.

If Republicans want to survive this they need to get out in front of it now and pass something akin to DACA, otherwise they can kiss the Latino vote goodbye for good.
This. It is up to Congress. Democrats ahd a chance now it is up to a Republican controlled Congress to step up and do their job. Obama had no business implementing DACA and Trump has o business continuing it. So his purported decision to end DACA is the right one. Let's see if our Congress can actually do their Constitutional duty.
 

UglyCasanova

Lifer
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Good. If they're here illegally, they SHOULD be deported.


No. They're here because their parents brought them. Deport the parents if you want but these kids are American in every sense but country of birth. The hardline "but its illegal!" approach is wrong and shortsighted imo.
 
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