Trump to end DACA program today reportedly

K1052

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Fox news John Roberts via twitter:



Program covers about 800K people who, absent congressional action, could be forcibly deported. Social and moral issues aside the economic hit would be about $500B over 10 years.
 
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Man he really is just appealing to the very narrow portion of his base now. Even 73% of people who voted for him support DACA.

http://fortune.com/2017/07/21/daca-dream-act-2017-new-immigration-news/

Let's see if Congress does..... anything..... to get a veto proof majority.

Senators Lindsey Graham (R-SC) and Dick Durbin (D-IL) introduced a new Dream Act in Congress Wednesday, reminding Americans that there is strong bipartisan support for Dreamers—immigrants who were brought to the U.S. as children and are seeking citizenship. According to a recent Morning Consult and Politico poll, 78% of American voters support giving Dreamers the chance to stay permanently in America, including 73% of people who voted for President Donald Trump.

Should the program be terminated, however, the losses would be devastating. The same study estimates that ending DACA would reduce the nation’s GDP by $433.4 billion over a decade. Another study by the Immigrant Legal Resource Center states that 685,195 young immigrants would become unemployed immediately, causing employers to incur $3.4 billion in costs associated with the termination and replacement of employees. Without DACA, tax revenue would be seriously impacted. Over the next decade, $24.6 billion in Social Security and Medicare contributions would be lost.
 

Blackjack200

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Man he really is just appealing to the very narrow portion of his base now. Even 73% of people who voted for him support DACA.

http://fortune.com/2017/07/21/daca-dream-act-2017-new-immigration-news/

Let's see if Congress does..... anything..... to get a veto proof majority.

His base, like any base, is a constituency of people that care about different things. The immigrant haters will love this. The people that support him for other reasons might be against it on some theoretical level, but they ultimately won't care that much.

A deeply unpopular man with perverted, nihilistic views will keep shoving this shit down our throats for maybe the next three, but probably the next seven years. He will do it because enough powerful people have something to gain.
 

K1052

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WH press sec denying admin is going to roll DACA back...so I'm inclined to believe that he will.
 

Atreus21

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Since he's reversing literally everything Obama did no matter what the impact have they announced a program to reanimate bin Laden yet?

Shrug. What can be done by executive order can be undone by executive order. That's a good caution against reliance on executive orders, and therefore overemphasis on the executive branch.
 

thilanliyan

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Shrug. What can be done by executive order can be undone by executive order. That's a good caution against reliance on executive orders, and therefore overemphasis on the executive branch.
That doesn't contribute much to the topic tbh.

How crappy for the people who have made a life in the US and contribute positively.
 
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Atreus21

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Yeah, let's avoid any discussion or consideration of the relative merits here and just focus on process.

Fucking jerkoff.

In other words let's avoid relevant subjects you don't like, and call anyone who doesn't agree a fucking jerkoff. haha.

Discuss the merits all you want. But there's a reason Trump has been reversing much of Obama's legacy, save for Obamacare: Because Obamacare was passed by Congress.
 

Atreus21

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That doesn't contribute much to the topic tbh.

How crappy for the people who have made a life in the US and contribute positively.

In case you didn't notice, I was responding to a poster who lamented that Trump was reversing lots of what Obama did. If my response wasn't a contribution to the topic, then neither was his.
 

bshole

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WH press sec denying admin is going to roll DACA back...so I'm inclined to believe that he will.

LoL..... who knows.... in this post truth world.... reality is real hard to come by. What Trump says has been reduced to white noise. It is absolutely meaningless and will be contradicted tomorrow and then confirmed next week.
 
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Pens1566

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Can't even argue this decision is about "criminals". DACA requires a spotless record.
 
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In case you didn't notice, I was responding to a poster who lamented that Trump was reversing lots of what Obama did. If my response wasn't a contribution to the topic, then neither was his.
Hey. You leave me out of this. I have never contributed anything of value. Ever! Like right now!

 

Sunburn74

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Since he's reversing literally everything Obama did no matter what the impact have they announced a program to reanimate bin Laden yet?
No of course not. He'd simply condemn the egregious display of violence and hatred that occurred in Pakistan between Bin Laden and Seal Team six, condemning such violence on many sides. Many sides.
 
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Blackjack200

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In case you didn't notice, I was responding to a poster who lamented that Trump was reversing lots of what Obama did. If my response wasn't a contribution to the topic, then neither was his.

No, you're wrong. You're so FUCKING wrong. The point of that post was not that Trump was able to reverse things that Obama did. It's that he is reversing things because Obama did them. It's insane to reverse DACA, it benefits nobody, it serves no purpose at all, except pure schadenfreude.

What the poster got wrong is that this is a Trumpist idea. It's not. Nihilistic hatred of Dems/Liberals is a bedrock of American conservatism, and it was on full display as congress voted to repeal the ACA again and again for no reason other than their hatred.
 

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Fox news John Roberts via twitter:



Program covers about 800K people who, absent congressional action, could be forcibly deported. Social and moral issues aside the economic hit would be about $500B over 10 years.

Oh look, a Republican that doesn't idiotically make it easier for Democrats to get millions of new voters. How confusing this must be for the left
 

JSt0rm

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In case you didn't notice, I was responding to a poster who lamented that Trump was reversing lots of what Obama did. If my response wasn't a contribution to the topic, then neither was his.

Stfu you racist nerd.
 

UberNeuman

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Since he's reversing literally everything Obama did no matter what the impact have they announced a program to reanimate bin Laden yet?

"Fake News. Bie Lie. I killed Osama. Obama had nothing to do with it. He was playing golf when Katrina happened. He was playing golf when I took action to nail this bad hombre. Big and beautiful thing I did. Thanks. You're welcome."
 

MrPickins

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Good. If they're here illegally, they SHOULD be deported.

Hey Boomer:

Should the program be terminated, however, the losses would be devastating. The same study estimates that ending DACA would reduce the nation’s GDP by $433.4 billion over a decade. Another study by the Immigrant Legal Resource Center states that 685,195 young immigrants would become unemployed immediately, causing employers to incur $3.4 billion in costs associated with the termination and replacement of employees. Without DACA, tax revenue would be seriously impacted. Over the next decade, $24.6 billion in Social Security and Medicare contributions would be lost.

I know you were in the construction trade and saw many jobs filled by immigrants, but try to be objective here. These kids are American aside from a rubber stamp on some form.
 
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zinfamous

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No, you're wrong. You're so FUCKING wrong. The point of that post was not that Trump was able to reverse things that Obama did. It's that he is reversing things because Obama did them. It's insane to reverse DACA, it benefits nobody, it serves no purpose at all, except pure schadenfreude.

What the poster got wrong is that this is a Trumpist idea. It's not. Nihilistic hatred of Dems/Liberals is a bedrock of American conservatism, and it was on full display as congress voted to repeal the ACA again and again for no reason other than their hatred.

which is easily proven by the fact that they eventually refused to do this very thing when they actually had the power to do it. Grandstanding, power-hungry, know-nothing, incompetent gladhanders. elected to government on the premise that government doesn't work, so they set about not doing a fucking thing for 16 some years, blaming their failure and their supporters' miseries on "the others," and gladly shake their pals' balls and finger each other on a job well done. ...because their voters fucking love it.

Pussies, snowflakes, hypocrites and shitholes. the entire lot of them. People vote for these representatives, again and again, because these people hate themselves. I can't see it any other way. Republicans: a Confederacy of Cvnts. The entire party. All of them.
 
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chucky2

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Geez I saw this as a possible news item and I knew it'd trigger the Lefties...not disappointed lol...
 
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