Trump to end DACA program today reportedly

[s0me0nesmind1]

The moment retards started coming out of the woodwork with the stupid "Undocumented Immigrants not illegals!" narrative was the moment I knew they went full retard. Good riddance.

The fact that this retraction has a 6-month window tells me this is really just smoke and mirrors though - they will likely pass a permanent bill and Trump can rebrand it with his name on it or something.

 

[woolfe9998]

Anyways though, back on topic. Republicans brought this issue on themselves and the rest of us despite overwhelming public support for DACA. Because their base opposes it I bet they do nothing or some sort of meaningless fig leaf.

Any takers?

No, you were right the first time. They won't do a damn thing. This in spite of the fact that unlike with healthcare where they had no dem support, they don't actually need the freedom caucus and other nutjobs to vote for it. Because all the dems would vote for it, they could pass the Dream Act and allow a large chunk of their members to vote against it. Yet they'll still do nothing because they don't give a shit about 800,000 kids being deported. Their priority is passing a fat tax cut for the wealthy. Because that is the sort of people they are.

 

[fskimospy]

No, you were right the first time. They won't do a damn thing. This in spite of the fact that unlike with healthcare where they had no dem support, they don't actually need the freedom caucus and other nutjobs to vote for it. Because all the dems would vote for it, they could pass the Dream Act and allow a large chunk of their members to vote against it. Yet they'll still do nothing because they don't give a shit about 800,000 kids being deported. Their priority is passing a fat tax cut for the wealthy. Because that is the sort of people they are.

Yes, it is very likely they could pass a DACA bill if they didn't care about passing one with only Republican votes. Considering how terrified they are of their base though, that probably won't happen.

And yes, that's how you get close to a million people's lives ruined by implementing a policy almost no one wants. It's very similar to how Republicans came within a hair of ruining tens of millions of lives with their health care bill that nobody wanted.

I don't know if the US has ever had a legislature this craven and dysfunctional. Almost certainly not since the antebellum period.

 

[Grooveriding]

Yea, OK. What are you smoking?

I'd like some of that.

It's the alt-right crack pipe. Once the fanatics pick it up, they can't put it back down.

 

[VRAMdemon]

Trump's backed himself into a corner on ending DACA and figures he can say he kept his promise, then toss the whole problem to Congress and let them take the blame (a) from immigration hard-liners if they enact protections or (b) from everyone else if they fail.

He has to fix things so that nothing unpopular is ever his fault BUT he can always take credit for stuff people like, even if he had nothing to do with it. That's Trump's definition of being a winner. He is never encumbered by moral principles, or really any kind of principles. They just get in the way. He's basically saying "I'm going to keep dark people out of the country like I said I would, but I'm gonna give congress a chance to take the blame for it." He can't be criticized for killing DACA and he can't be criticized for promoting it either.

Now, if a) happens he has to veto it or HE gets the blame. Or he could claim the new bill is totally different from that evil Obama's evil handiwork, so it's okay to sign it, what with all those fine upstanding patriotic CEO's supporting it.

Ryan specifically said that DACA should be established legislatively. In his opinion, it's not a valid use of Presidential power. But he is in favor of the concept, and wants Congress to implement it. He's going to get his chance. Ryan says a lot of things (remember ACA repeal), but he's Mr. Irrelevant because he has no constituency and little ability to deliver on what he says he wants. Ryan voted against the DREAM Act, which would have provided protections and a path to citizenship through legislation for people protected by DACA. DACA was at least in part because of Congress refusing to address the issue and anything to do with immigration reform. Pardon me if I am skeptical that he is sincere.

 

[Puffnstuff]

Meh republicans want everyone to have at least one gun and democrats want to give your heard earned money to lazy people sitting on their a$$es pumping out babies for cash so I can't back either party.

 

[K1052]

Meh republicans want everyone to have at least one gun and democrats want to give your heard earned money to lazy people sitting on their a$$es pumping out babies for cash so I can't back either party.

97% of people with status under DACA are either in school or gainfully employed.

 

[feralkid]

nm.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

97% of people with status under DACA are either in school or gainfully employed.

Plus from what I heard earlier their income has rose 30% from when they worked illegally
I believe they start more businesses than average too but I'm not certain about this.

 

[Puffnstuff]

97% of people with status under DACA are either in school or gainfully employed.

Jobs that citizens and legal residents could be doing.

 

[Snarf Snarf]

I have a genuine question for the GOP lifers around here, how many immigrants that live here illegally have you personally ever met? Have any of them been "dreamers"? I know a lot of you don't live in the Southwest where Mexican-American culture is the norm, as a child of 2 Mexican immigrants (mother legal resident then later citizen, father completely illegal, now a citizen) what about them intimidate you so much?

I've met in my 30 years of life hundreds of undocumented immigrants, many of which my family and church helped to sponsor to get citizenship or residency here in the states. Those people have been some of the hardest working, devoted, and morally sound individuals I've had the pleasure of meeting. Many of their children were covered by the DACA, and every single one of them that I knew were stellar students and are now in college working towards degrees that will help a lot of people in the future (biomedical, engineering, health care). If there's anything to fear its that these people embody the true American dream, and the supposed patriots around here are embarrassed that brown people come to this country and find success in just a single generation through hard work. Yes some that come here are criminals, there is a certain percentage of all humanity that are pieces of shit regardless of color or country of origin. There's a ton already in this country that are here legally and we aren't discussing shipping them off to somewhere else.

This whole letter of the law argument is about as weak of an argument that can be had. You vote in elected officials who have blatant disregard for the letter of law, you have a Commander in Chief who just pardoned a racist old man who literally ignored the letter of the law after blatantly violating the constitutional rights of citizens he was supposed to protect. There are many absurd, immoral, and illogical laws that exist, especially at the state level. The way I was educated, when political means of abolishing outdated or badly created laws breaks down, as a citizen you exercise civil disobedience as a last resort. Marijuana legalization comes to mind, while still illegal federally lots of PD's and state's find the classification ridiculous and choose not to enforce the full penalty of the law. If enough local governments tell the federal government that they refuse to enact these laws, maybe our congress can get it's shit together and put together a bill that will actually help someone other than themselves get reelected.

/endrant

 

[Snarf Snarf]

Jobs that citizens and legal residents could be doing.

Are you not a capitalist? The most qualified individual gets the job, their rate of pay is determined by their value to the company relative to the employment market average of pay for the position. If Jose Rodriguez "dreamer" gets the job over Chris Smith, its probably because Chris Smith sucked.

 

[Puffnstuff]

many of which my family and church helped to sponsor to get citizenship or residency here in the states.

Funny that church showed up because even Jesus said to obey the laws of man.

 

[Jhhnn]

Jobs that citizens and legal residents could be doing.

The current unemployment rate is 4.3%. It hasn't been that low since 2000. What's happening, in truth, is that conservatives in the places the job creators dumped won't move to the places where there's more job creator activity, ya know? Now they want the oh so oppressive gubmint they told to stay out of for decades to do something about it. Funny that.

Maybe a nice tax cut for the financial elite will improve their situation, huh?

 

[Jhhnn]

I have a genuine question for the GOP lifers around here, how many immigrants that live here illegally have you personally ever met? Have any of them been "dreamers"? I know a lot of you don't live in the Southwest where Mexican-American culture is the norm, as a child of 2 Mexican immigrants (mother legal resident then later citizen, father completely illegal, now a citizen) what about them intimidate you so much?

I've met in my 30 years of life hundreds of undocumented immigrants, many of which my family and church helped to sponsor to get citizenship or residency here in the states. Those people have been some of the hardest working, devoted, and morally sound individuals I've had the pleasure of meeting. Many of their children were covered by the DACA, and every single one of them that I knew were stellar students and are now in college working towards degrees that will help a lot of people in the future (biomedical, engineering, health care). If there's anything to fear its that these people embody the true American dream, and the supposed patriots around here are embarrassed that brown people come to this country and find success in just a single generation through hard work. Yes some that come here are criminals, there is a certain percentage of all humanity that are pieces of shit regardless of color or country of origin. There's a ton already in this country that are here legally and we aren't discussing shipping them off to somewhere else.

This whole letter of the law argument is about as weak of an argument that can be had. You vote in elected officials who have blatant disregard for the letter of law, you have a Commander in Chief who just pardoned a racist old man who literally ignored the letter of the law after blatantly violating the constitutional rights of citizens he was supposed to protect. There are many absurd, immoral, and illogical laws that exist, especially at the state level. The way I was educated, when political means of abolishing outdated or badly created laws breaks down, as a citizen you exercise civil disobedience as a last resort. Marijuana legalization comes to mind, while still illegal federally lots of PD's and state's find the classification ridiculous and choose not to enforce the full penalty of the law. If enough local governments tell the federal government that they refuse to enact these laws, maybe our congress can get it's shit together and put together a bill that will actually help someone other than themselves get reelected.

/endrant

Thank you. Oh, and don't forget that our AG who issued the order, Jeff Sessions, blatantly lied in his confirmation hearing. So much for the letter of the law.

 

[vi edit]

I have a genuine question for the GOP lifers around here, how many immigrants that live here illegally have you personally ever met? Have any of them been "dreamers"? I know a lot of you don't live in the Southwest where Mexican-American culture is the norm, as a child of 2 Mexican immigrants (mother legal resident then later citizen, father completely illegal, now a citizen) what about them intimidate you so much?

I've met in my 30 years of life hundreds of undocumented immigrants, many of which my family and church helped to sponsor to get citizenship or residency here in the states. Those people have been some of the hardest working, devoted, and morally sound individuals I've had the pleasure of meeting. Many of their children were covered by the DACA, and every single one of them that I knew were stellar students and are now in college working towards degrees that will help a lot of people in the future (biomedical, engineering, health care). If there's anything to fear its that these people embody the true American dream, and the supposed patriots around here are embarrassed that brown people come to this country and find success in just a single generation through hard work. Yes some that come here are criminals, there is a certain percentage of all humanity that are pieces of shit regardless of color or country of origin. There's a ton already in this country that are here legally and we aren't discussing shipping them off to somewhere else.

This whole letter of the law argument is about as weak of an argument that can be had. You vote in elected officials who have blatant disregard for the letter of law, you have a Commander in Chief who just pardoned a racist old man who literally ignored the letter of the law after blatantly violating the constitutional rights of citizens he was supposed to protect. There are many absurd, immoral, and illogical laws that exist, especially at the state level. The way I was educated, when political means of abolishing outdated or badly created laws breaks down, as a citizen you exercise civil disobedience as a last resort. Marijuana legalization comes to mind, while still illegal federally lots of PD's and state's find the classification ridiculous and choose not to enforce the full penalty of the law. If enough local governments tell the federal government that they refuse to enact these laws, maybe our congress can get it's shit together and put together a bill that will actually help someone other than themselves get reelected.

/endrant

Thank you. Give me an honest working, wanting to improve themselves immigrant (illegal or not) any day over some whining, self entitled mouth breathing racist piece of trash brandishing tiki torches at a nationalist rally any day. Our country was founded and built on the mentality of the former and being held back by the later.

 

[conehead433]

Trump and Sessions are absolutely heartless.

 

[Jhhnn]

Meh republicans want everyone to have at least one gun and democrats want to give your heard earned money to lazy people sitting on their a$$es pumping out babies for cash so I can't back either party.

Jobs that citizens and legal residents could be doing.

And the goalpost shift, of course...

 

[Starbuck1975]

I have a genuine question for the GOP lifers around here, how many immigrants that live here illegally have you personally ever met? Have any of them been "dreamers"? I know a lot of you don't live in the Southwest where Mexican-American culture is the norm, as a child of 2 Mexican immigrants (mother legal resident then later citizen, father completely illegal, now a citizen) what about them intimidate you so much?

I've met in my 30 years of life hundreds of undocumented immigrants, many of which my family and church helped to sponsor to get citizenship or residency here in the states. Those people have been some of the hardest working, devoted, and morally sound individuals I've had the pleasure of meeting. Many of their children were covered by the DACA, and every single one of them that I knew were stellar students and are now in college working towards degrees that will help a lot of people in the future (biomedical, engineering, health care). If there's anything to fear its that these people embody the true American dream, and the supposed patriots around here are embarrassed that brown people come to this country and find success in just a single generation through hard work. Yes some that come here are criminals, there is a certain percentage of all humanity that are pieces of shit regardless of color or country of origin. There's a ton already in this country that are here legally and we aren't discussing shipping them off to somewhere else.

This whole letter of the law argument is about as weak of an argument that can be had. You vote in elected officials who have blatant disregard for the letter of law, you have a Commander in Chief who just pardoned a racist old man who literally ignored the letter of the law after blatantly violating the constitutional rights of citizens he was supposed to protect. There are many absurd, immoral, and illogical laws that exist, especially at the state level. The way I was educated, when political means of abolishing outdated or badly created laws breaks down, as a citizen you exercise civil disobedience as a last resort. Marijuana legalization comes to mind, while still illegal federally lots of PD's and state's find the classification ridiculous and choose not to enforce the full penalty of the law. If enough local governments tell the federal government that they refuse to enact these laws, maybe our congress can get it's shit together and put together a bill that will actually help someone other than themselves get reelected.

/endrant

As the grandson of immigrants, I don't fear dreamers. My grandparents were the brown people of their era, American citizenship was their proudest accomplishment and they believed strongly in the American dream. They also didn't have the luxury of crossing an arbitrary border to achieve it. There was a process, it worked and it controlled the flow of immigrants relative to economic need.

That process no longer works. It does not benefit our society for there to exist an undocumented underclass. But there is little incentive to fix the problem. Businesses like having exploitable labor. People like their cheap lettuce. White collar workers love their cheap house cleaners. Los Angeles would implode if people had to pay a fair wage market price for hand car washes.

We need a comprehensive migrant worker policy with a path to citizenship for those who desire it, green cards and visas to attract white collar talent and reasonable quotas for people who are truly refugees. However, with such a policy comes the recognition that not everyone gets in.

 

[Jhhnn]

As the grandson of immigrants, I don't fear dreamers. My grandparents were the brown people of their era, American citizenship was their proudest accomplishment and they believed strongly in the American dream. They also didn't have the luxury of crossing an arbitrary border to achieve it. There was a process, it worked and it controlled the flow of immigrants relative to economic need.

That process no longer works. It does not benefit our society for there to exist an undocumented underclass. But there is little incentive to fix the problem. Businesses like having exploitable labor. People like their cheap lettuce. White collar workers love their cheap house cleaners. Los Angeles would implode if people had to pay a fair wage market price for hand car washes.

We need a comprehensive migrant worker policy with a path to citizenship for those who desire it, green cards and visas to attract white collar talent and reasonable quotas for people who are truly refugees. However, with such a policy comes the recognition that not everyone gets in.

There is the minor matter of dealing constructively with illegals who've been here for many years, the parents of the Dreamers & of American citizens, as well. 7M or so have been here for over 10 years.

Probably not. Trump's playing the make America White again angle for all it's worth.

 

[Sonikku]

Fox News is in full defensive mode, calling the act "Trump restoring sanity to law". Have they already forgotten him spitting in the face of law when he doled out a pardon to his loyalist last week?

 

[brycejones]

Fox News is in full defensive mode, calling the act "Trump restoring sanity to law". Have they already forgotten him spitting in the face of law when he doled out a pardon to his loyalist last week?

That was different that was for someone who stuck it to the brown people so it was cool to pardon him. Now since this policy change has the possibility to stick it directly to the brown people Fox News is going to be all over it.

 

[Engineer]

T-Rump said he will revisit this in six months if CONgress can't get it done.....because he loves those kids (his words from the video)....

http://www.cnn.com/2017/09/05/politics/donald-trump-revisit-daca/index.html

 

[DisarmedDespot]

So Trump punts and tosses the time bomb into congress's hands, after the Republican-controlled congress failed to pass any sort of healthcare bill in spectacular fashion. Congress is already overloaded with other time bombs (spending bill, debt ceiling, Harvey relief) and expecting anything to get done in six months is a pipe dream.

Is he trying to sabotage congressional republicans?

 

[fskimospy]

T-Rump said he will revisit this in six months if CONgress can't get it done.....because he loves those kids (his words from the video)....

http://www.cnn.com/2017/09/05/politics/donald-trump-revisit-daca/index.html

Wait, his AG said it was unconstitutional. How can he revisit something that's unconstitutional?