Obeying the law is being a doer of the word and not a hearer only.Why?
Obeying the law is being a doer of the word and not a hearer only.
Democrats demanding "clean" vote on DACA fix
http://www.cnn.com/2017/09/06/politics/schumer-dream-act-trump-daca/index.html
I agree with this, tacking on wall funding or anything else shouldn't be in there. Vote on the issue. They also need to put together a bill for immigration reform too (which I'm for) and vote on that, part of which could be funding for the wall (which I oppose).
The NY Times published some great DACA data the other day. The beneficiaries are overwhelmingly from Mexico and reside almost entirely in Texas and California. Kind of lends some credibility to the idea of stemming the flow by implementing some kind of enhanced border security.Comprehensive immigration reform has broken every congress that's tried and I'd expect the same in this ultra polarized situation It will be basically impossible to segregate DACA from that debate.
Were I the Dem leadership I'd let the clock run down on the debt ceiling then in early December when there is no time to argue strike a deal with Trump to make the DACA enrollees permanent residents in exchange for $1.5B in wall funding/border security upgrades (if used for wall only to replace existing wall) and an automatic debt ceiling raise whenever the Congress passes a budget. As much as I despise debt ceiling brinksmanship and want to see it end letting DHS eject three quarters of a million people who are Americans in all but legal status, are here though no fault of their own, and know no other county is totally unacceptable.
The NY Times published some great DACA data the other day. The beneficiaries are overwhelmingly from Mexico and reside almost entirely in Texas and California. Kind of lends some credibility to the idea of stemming the flow by implementing some kind of enhanced border security.
Having said that, you really can't punish the people already here, especially the Dreamers, because they are all the victims of over 20 years of legislative incompetence. That, and we need immigrants. I would rather we find a way to reinstitute the melting pot instead of the status quo where people have to live in the shadows.
Net immigration from Mexico went to basically nothing or even reversed in the last few years. A lot of the recent influx is from Central America. The way you staunch that off is by making Mexico stronger socially and economically, not by building a huge wall along the US border. Also the visa overstay issue needs to be addressed as ton of the people (non Latin Americans) here illegally simply fly in and never leave.
In my estimation the US needs a large and powerful guest worker program with a pathway to legal residence/citizenship that specifically focuses on Mexico/Central America. Dramatically cutting legal immigration like some conservatives propose will hobble the US economically. The idea of giving 9-10ish million illegals already here citizenship will probably be too much for a lot of people to swallow but a permanent resident status is justifiable and really the only practical course of action. The DACA kids should be permitted to achieve citizenship.
You miss the point. Those people aren't White. That's the crux of the matter entirely.
Democrats demanding "clean" vote on DACA fix
http://www.cnn.com/2017/09/06/politics/schumer-dream-act-trump-daca/index.html
I agree with this, tacking on wall funding or anything else shouldn't be in there. Vote on the issue. They also need to put together a bill for immigration reform too (which I'm for) and vote on that, part of which could be funding for the wall (which I oppose).
LMAO!
You, sir, have won the Internet.
You miss the point. Those people aren't White. That's the crux of the matter entirely.
Obeying the law is being a doer of the word and not a hearer only.
Unjust/immoral laws should not be obeyed.Obeying the law is being a doer of the word and not a hearer only.
Lawlessness is even more dangerous. The modern education system teaches the concept of conflict intensity under the guise of ethics so if a person decides that if they do something illegal they can justify it by reasoning that it doesn't hurt anybody or that particular action hurt the least amount of people. With so many people deciding that they can do whatever they please eventually someone will infringe upon the rights of others.Un
Unjust/immoral laws should not be obeyed.
Blind obedience is dangerous.
Lawlessness is even more dangerous. The modern education system teaches the concept of conflict intensity under the guise of ethics so if a person decides that if they do something illegal they can justify it by reasoning that it doesn't hurt anybody or that particular action hurt the least amount of people. With so many people deciding that they can do whatever they please eventually someone will infringe upon the rights of others.
Do you think that its okay for a poor person to break into a rich persons home because you perceive that they have more and can afford to part with some of their possessions?
This reversal applies to everyone equally irrespective of their nation of origin. While the media likes to focus on people of Hispanic origin I would remind you that the largest group is Chinese.Of course I do not support breaking into peoples homes. I also support peoples right to use deadly force to protect their property.
If somebody really truly believes that property rights are unethical, they should steal some stuff, go to court, and see if they get found guilty.
Jury nullification exists for cases where laws are unjust or unfair.
If the law says "only white people can use these drinking fountains", I support every non white person who will use the drinking fountain because that is an unjust law, and civil disobedience is necessary to fix the broken law.
This reversal applies to everyone equally irrespective of their nation of origin. While the media likes to focus on people of Hispanic origin I would remind you that the largest group is Chinese.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive.../undocumented-illegal-immigrants.html?mcubz=3
After Mexico, Guatemala, El Salvador and Honduras, the largest number of unauthorized immigrants comes from China (an estimated 268,000)
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Unjust/immoral laws should not be obeyed.
Blind obedience is dangerous.
They do border us which makes it easier to for them to cross seeing there's nothing to stop them over the vast majority of it.Mexico is still the top one of illegals, then a few countries of Central America before anyone else. From the article:
Do you think so and so is immoral? yes or no ....As is deciding what is and isnt unjust/immoral...which are both subjective.
Today I learned The Onion beat me by six months.LMAO!
You, sir, have won the Internet.
Start throwing people who exploited that labor into jail and we can have a conversation about the law. Justice should not be the convenient punishment of the vulnerable just because those equally culpable can escape through money and power.
Funny how those folks who practically scream and shout for the wall completely ignore the biggest reason why so many foreigners take the chance to cross over in the first place.
The GOP Ministry of Propaganda has done a spectacular job in this regard.
A Pennsylvania tree-trimming company was ordered to pay $95 million in the largest fine against a company for hiring immigrants who didn’t have permission to work in the U.S., according to federal officials.
Just as it should be.itshappening.gif
Not quite jail time, but hefty penalties:
Pennsylvania Company to Pay Record Fine for Illegally Hiring Immigrants