Trump to impose tariffs on Mexico due to immigration/asylum issue, starting June 10

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outriding

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When Obama was handed a crap economy it didn't get fixed over night. Trump was handed a crisis situation at the border, it is getting fixed properly, but also doesn't happen over night. The left and their sad family separation tantrum and their refusal to give Trump the funding he needs isn't helping. Glad he did the right thing and declared an emergency, as this is a proper emergency.

It was signed as an emergency until February 2019. So why did it take him 2 years to do that.

It did not need any money to call it an emergency so he should have done it right away. But trump needed Time manufacture a crisis. And you took it hook line and sinker

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nat...ning_the_Southern_Border_of_the_United_States
 

SlowSpyder

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Nope, it is. Man is that video insanely dishonest. Just how stupid do they think their audience is that they would fall for this? Everyone in Sweden is taxed at a high rate, the poor included. This is true. What the video leaves out is that after the taxes are collected, Sweden engages in large scale income transfers to the poor. Once you count the money people get back from the government they most certainly tax the rich to give to the poor.



Stossel is either a moron or he's counting on his audience to be.

Also, let's not forget the absolute meltdown conservatives would had if we tried to implement an identical model to the 'not socialism' that Sweden has.



Looks to be no more dishonest than you are by leaving out the point he made about privatization being what really drove their economy.
 
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fskimospy

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Looks to be more dishonest than you are by leaving out the point he made about privatization being what really drove their economy.

He most certainly does look to be more dishonest than me, we agree.

Again, he counted on you to be too stupid to know better and he was right. I mean it's hard to lose money when you're betting on the stupidity of Trump supporters.
 

fskimospy

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By the way I googled John Stossel really quick and this is fucking hilarious. Spidey is going to be so mad, hahaha.

https://www.politifact.com/punditfa...siness-pundit-no-good-data-deaths-secondhand/

In a discussion about waning personal freedom in the free world, pundit John Stossel went off about the onslaught of government rules and regulations telling Americans what they can do and when, where and how they can do it.

He used cigarette-smoking as an example, arguing that business owners should have the right to allow smoking in their bars or restaurants even where ordinances or laws ban the practice.

"Yeah, they kill smokers," Stossel said on Fox & Friends of cigarettes. "But there is no good data showing secondhand smoke kills people."

This is the guy you're relying on for economic analysis of the Swedish welfare state though.

lol.
 
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Ahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!

"Next you're going to say Mexico isn't paying for the wall"
"Its so secret even Mexico didn't know about it!"

I'm gonna laugh because I bet Turmp tries to reinstate the tariffs claiming Mexico lied to him and see "they can't be trusted!" He'll probably limit it (hell he'll probably claim he's the one behind the cane sugar tariffs) so he can claim he's protecting farmers or some group that he's been fucking over with his China and Canada shenanigans.

I'm also waiting to find out that there's Russian (and Republican by way of that) money being funneled to these caravans. Can you imagine if they find out that the human trafficking that they're starting to make a fuss about (that does happen, although isn't it odd how much of that is tied to groups that buddy up to Republicans and their rich buddies?) is paid for by Russia. Their next move will be to flip and claim that yes they were doing it but its because they're so concerned about the welfare of these people that really they're the only ones that really care (kinda like how they've been trying to win over Cuban immigrants by pretending to care the most about them).
 

Viper1j

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Let's give him his term, shall we? Let's see where the state of the southern border is at the end of his first four years. You know it and so do I, he's fixing this problem that the Democrats are helping to create.

You say that like he's getting a second 4 years..

Trump has a case of "Firefighter Arson".

He sets fires, so everyone can see him put them out and he thinks he can pretend he's a hero.

We only have to tolerate him for just a little while longer, and then we can begin repairing the country.
 

FelixDeCat

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Show your work, please: What did Trump actually do to stop illegal immigration?

Evidence required.

By helping to stop Central American migrants by requiring Mexico to detain them until we can reject their applications, Trump has done more than any democratic has done. Unfortunately democrats are too busy trying to obstruct the president in his efforts to stop illegal immigration.
 
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Viper1j

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By helping to stop the raging hoards of Central American migrants by requiring Mexico to detain them until we can reject their applications, Trump has done more than any democratic has done. Unfortunately democrats are too busy trying to obstruct the president in his efforts to stop illegal immigration.
Psssttt... Don't let this get out... It's a secret...

Actually, it's not.

Border Field State Park


People can cross without getting their knees wet. What do you think it will cost to extend the magical wall 12 miles out into international waters? Don't forget to factor in the 500 foot drop at the ocean shelf.
 

DarthKyrie

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Psssttt... Don't let this get out... It's a secret...

Actually it's not.

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People can cross without getting their knees wet. What do you think it will cost to extend the magical wall 12 miles out into international waters? Don't forget to factor in the 500 foot drop at the ocean shelf.

That should be easy, build a floating wall that people can swim under.
 

Bitek

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By helping to stop Central American migrants by requiring Mexico to detain them until we can reject their applications, Trump has done more than any democratic has done. Unfortunately democrats are too busy trying to obstruct the president in his efforts to stop illegal immigration.

What a laugh. The border got under control by Bush and Obama.

The Dotard has come in and made a mess of things. For all his bluster, kidnappings and flailing, crossings are going back up.
It's a complete disaster on every level.

To top it off, he's now greatly damaged his negotiation position in his trade war he's losing with China.

He's made no deal with them, and they just watched him fold, then lie and cover it up with what he agreed to with Mexico.

Tremendous weakness! They are watching and know he's not a serious adversary who is in fear of his own position. We've lost any advantage with them.

Another blown deal
 
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K1052

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Mostly Mexico promised them things they've already promised plus maybe advancing "safe third party nation" status that would let the US turn back all Central American asylum seekers to Mexico. This generally conforms to the reporting on the "deal". Naturally Mexico has resisted this since they haven't the means to deal with the situation despite us insisting that they should. This isn't a secret and the administration has been openly seeking this particular change for a while. The problem is likely that Mexico actually doesn't have the ability to accommodate this demand or the political will to try since this problem is one of the US's making.

I think the Mexicans bought themselves 45 days where the level of migration traditionally falls due to summer heat so they can point at the decline as proof of their accommodation.
 
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TechYoda

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As far as I know, the rate of acceptance for E2 visa is rising. This suppose to mean that there is still a way for immigration for people with money and brains. But according to https://migronis-citizenship.com/ you need to invest $ 100,000 to apply, which is still impossible to afford for most people. Can't make my mind if this is a good thing or a bad thing.
 

dank69

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Double noob necro results in near-miss segregation debate within 3 posts. Interdasting.
 
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