So you're saying that context matters? Interesting.Which the automobile industry lobbied heavily for and is the primary reason why rail travel, so ubiquitous in Europe and parts of Asia, is sorely lacking in the US
Which goes back to my original point. The government is not an independent benevolent entity. Something inevitably guides its hand. The topic for debate is whether its the will of the people, corporate interests or other factors that provides the catalyst.So you're saying that context matters? Interesting.
Yes I know how to use google. I was curious if agent had an opinion since he cited clean energy as a counterpoint to mine.
Why did Solyndra fail?
I give credit to Obama for the intent, but the Solyndra story goes a bit deeper than just competition. The premature jubilation and excesses of company executives were certainly part of its failure. Like Worldcom and Enron before them, Solyndra is a similarly precautious tale for when greed outpaces the business modelThat's simply the nature of market competition. Irresponsible in that case would be doubling down with the resources of the state, like with the factory without a future here.
Given that they were invested in multiple potentially competing solar ventures, rather the opposite of picking specific winners, some were inevitably not going to make it.
I give credit to Obama for the intent, but the Solyndra story goes a bit deeper than just competition. The premature jubilation and excesses of company executives were certainly part of its failure. Like Worldcom and Enron before them, Solyndra is a similarly precautious tale for when greed outpaces the business model
The irresponsible almost party like corporate culture of exuberant spending based off speculation certainly was. The supply/demand polysilicon aspect of the story to me was the nail in a coffin already well laid.I suspect you're aware Solyndra's failure as a result of precipitous drop in the cost of polysilicon is nothing like Worldcom or Enron.
The irresponsible almost party like corporate culture of exuberant spending based off speculation certainly was. The supply/demand polysilicon aspect of the story to me was the nail in a coffin already well laid.
Venture capitalism sure. Companies going out and buying mood lighting glass conference rooms that change from translucent to transparent, and literal piles of high end video conferencing and other toys laying around in their boxes unopened, not to mention irresponsible employee and executive perks before the company validates its business case, has nothing to do with venture capitalism.That's the essence of venture capitalism, isn't it? Taking chances?
The irresponsible almost party like corporate culture of exuberant spending based off speculation certainly was. The supply/demand polysilicon aspect of the story to me was the nail in a coffin already well laid.
So how do we judge things then? Scope? Scale? Results? What are the right criteria?Which goes back to my original point. The government is not an independent benevolent entity. Something inevitably guides its hand. The topic for debate is whether its the will of the people, corporate interests or other factors that provides the catalyst.
So here is what Trump said he would do to stop Carrier...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3hfMaHlJjs
Here is what Trump and Mike Pence actually did...
http://www.newsy.com/videos/the-details-behind-trump-s-deal-to-keep-carrier-in-the-us/
Those guys stuck the bill Carrier was going to pay on the citizens of Indiana.
Hey all you dumbass Trump supporters, you are the only ones who didn't think something like this would happen. You just allowed a double penetration ass raping of the people of Indiana by Donald and Mike. I wonder if they crossed swords doing it.
How much do you think 1000 people losing their jobs would cost the tax payers?So here is what Trump said he would do to stop Carrier...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3hfMaHlJjs
Here is what Trump and Mike Pence actually did...
http://www.newsy.com/videos/the-details-behind-trump-s-deal-to-keep-carrier-in-the-us/
Those guys stuck the bill Carrier was going to pay on the citizens of Indiana.
Hey all you dumbass Trump supporters, you are the only ones who didn't think something like this would happen. You just allowed a double penetration ass raping of the people of Indiana by Donald and Mike. I wonder if they crossed swords doing it.
That is a great question. Even corporations struggle with this in terms of different people observing the same situation or results but evaluating them using different criteria. Facts and data is a good place to start but a difficult conversation to have when people distort the objective with partisan filters.So how do we judge things then? Scope? Scale? Results? What are the right criteria?
Right, so we arrive at the point where we admit we don't know what we don't know and then from there subjectivity is the main factor and deciding which subjective view and value set provides the most worth on an individual and collective basis.That is a great question. Even corporations struggle with this in terms of different people observing the same situation or results but evaluating them using different criteria. Facts and data is a good place to start but a difficult conversation to have when people distort the objective with partisan filters.
You didn't answer what happened to the 35% tariff?How much do you think 1000 people losing their jobs would cost the tax payers?
So how do we judge things then? Scope? Scale? Results? What are the right criteria?
So here is what Trump said he would do to stop Carrier...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3hfMaHlJjs
Here is what Trump and Mike Pence actually did...
http://www.newsy.com/videos/the-details-behind-trump-s-deal-to-keep-carrier-in-the-us/
Those guys stuck the bill Carrier was going to pay on the citizens of Indiana.
Hey all you dumbass Trump supporters, you are the only ones who didn't think something like this would happen. You just allowed a double penetration ass raping of the people of Indiana by Donald and Mike. I wonder if they crossed swords doing it.
You didn't answer what happened to the 35% tariff?
Now I understand the disconnect. The federal government obviously has a role in the management of infrastructure and public services. The line blurs when the government attempts to play venture capitalist or kingmaker. Global trade already existed during the framing of the Constitution, but I don't think the Founding Fathers envisioned a world where labor in addition to goods would become so transient, or the role government would play in the advancement of technology.Right, so we arrive at the point where we admit we don't know what we don't know and then from there subjectivity is the main factor and deciding which subjective view and value set provides the most worth on an individual and collective basis.
I saw the value in good schools long before I was a parent. Better neighborhoods bloom around better schools. Safer and smarter kids come from better schools. While I might not have kids in the school right near me, I know it's a solid school and am glad that my taxes go towards it. This is entirely subjective though... but it is why I arrive at my thoughts about the value of the dept of education, schools, teachers, etc. Am I wrong to have those views and values?
Because I think the public school system is the thing the government started that was without weird or deceitful impetus. But oh how it has been perverted and maligned (justly and less so).
Now I understand the disconnect. The federal government obviously has a role in the management of infrastructure and public services. The line blurs when the government attempts to play venture capitalist or kingmaker. Global trade already existed during the framing of the Constitution, but I don't think the Founding Fathers envisioned a world where labor in addition to goods would become so transient, or the role government would play in the advancement of technology.
Tax incentives for businesses are not unusual and have been commonly used by States for decades and decades. Hack, please tell us where has your outrage has been hiding all this time.So here is what Trump said he would do to stop Carrier...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3hfMaHlJjs
Here is what Trump and Mike Pence actually did...
http://www.newsy.com/videos/the-details-behind-trump-s-deal-to-keep-carrier-in-the-us/
Those guys stuck the bill Carrier was going to pay on the citizens of Indiana.
Hey all you dumbass Trump supporters, you are the only ones who didn't think something like this would happen. You just allowed a double penetration ass raping of the people of Indiana by Donald and Mike. I wonder if they crossed swords doing it.
Show me in Section 8 where Congress has the power to manage global corporations. The ability to levy taxes, manage interstate commerce and collect duties becomes clouded when you are dealing with entities that development very intricate international mechanisms to stay ahead of legislative oversight.Lol! Yeah, the commerce clause was an amendment added in the1950's right? Something the founding fathers never even thought about! Lets just ignore all of article one section 8 while we are at it.
You are frustratingly stupid.