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fskimospy

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One political party criticizes the other for doing something it was previously in favor of. News at 11.

I don't see Democrats criticizing the action outside of saying it's basically an ineffective PR stunt, which it is. I do see Republicans magically in favor of something that they hated before though.

It's not just the party either, it's the people. I get why political parties lie all the time, it's advantageous. What I don't get is why individuals would do a 180 on something like this unless it's just an emotional response to supporting their political sports team.
 

superstition

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Not really. We are nearing full employment and the amount of poor people entering the middle class is declining. $15 is probably exactly what we need.
$15 isn't much, though.

If the minimum wage had kept up with inflation and productivity...

Even more amusing is when one ties it to how much the top 1% have gained over this period.
 

agent00f

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NO! Hillary and her alt-left nuts jobs were defeated. After all, Hillary's hero supported eugenics.

You are smart, all the klan recruiters say so.

Perhaps blue states could lead by example. The LA Times has recently been featuring stories on how 20% of city tax revenues are going towards pension obligations for public employees. 20%!!! The product of decades of collusion between Democrats and unions. We are talking about people retiring in their 50s with 6-figure near full salary entitlement benefits.

We've become a welfare society.

We've always been a white welfare society, from manifest destiny to slavery to military industry and so on. Some people are just really angry non-whites have been getting a little taste of the action.
 

superstition

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The minimum wage should have reached $21.72 an hour in 2012 if it kept up with increases in worker productivity, according to a March study by the Center for Economic and Policy Research. While advancements in technology have increased the amount of goods and services that can be produced in a set amount of time, wages have remained relatively flat, the study points out.

Even if the minimum wage kept up with inflation since it peaked in real value in the late 1960s, low-wage workers should be earning a minimum of $10.52 an hour, according to the study.

Between the end of World War II and the late 1960s, productivity and wages grew steadily. Since the minimum wage peaked in 1968, increases in productivity have outpaced the minimum wage growth. Currently observed in 31 states, the federal minimum wage translates to an annual income of about $15,000 a year for someone working 40 hours per week.

Dube went on to note that if minimum wage incomes had grown over that period at the same pace as it had for the top 1 percent of income earners, the minimum wage would actually be closer to $33 an hour than the current $7.25.
 

trenchfoot

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All I'm seeing is another four/eight years of Bush-Cheney "corporate fiscal responsibility" where the end result is more corporate welfare at the expense of the middle class and the poor, and another economic tragedy that for the most part will only affect the middle class and the poor while the rich get ever more richer......again.

One of the very first things that Trump and his corporate owned Repub legislators announce is corporate tax cuts "to bring back jobs and trillions of $$$ back to the economy". Now where have I heard that very same bait and switch bullshit before?

Same 'ol same 'ol.

Here we go again.

I really do hope I'm wrong, but after decades of proven beyond doubt Repub led forays into legislating giveaways that exclusively benefit the very wealthy, the evidence seems to be on my side of this issue.

Thank you, you dumb ass shitheads that voted against your own best interests......again. You got played and now the rest of us who didn't buy into Trump's scam are going to suffer the consequences of your actions.

Thank you not at all.
 

superstition

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"Both" parties have been corporate/bankster folks for a long time. Really, they're one party — The Plutocracy Party — with two types of marketing.

There's an interesting piece at The Atlantic about the "Watergate Babies" and how the Democratic party killed populism.

The Obama white house literally mocked unions for supporting their pro-union candidate instead of the anti-union Obama/DNC candidate. When the pro-union guy lost the Obama people laughed at them for "wasting all that money".
 

buckshot24

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All I'm seeing is another four/eight years of Bush-Cheney "corporate fiscal responsibility" where the end result is more corporate welfare at the expense of the middle class and the poor, and another economic tragedy that for the most part will only affect the middle class and the poor while the rich get ever more richer......again.

One of the very first things that Trump and his corporate owned Repub legislators announce is corporate tax cuts "to bring back jobs and trillions of $$$ back to the economy". Now where have I heard that very same bait and switch bullshit before?

Same 'ol same 'ol.

Here we go again.

I really do hope I'm wrong, but after decades of proven beyond doubt Repub led forays into legislating giveaways that exclusively benefit the very wealthy, the evidence seems to be on my side of this issue.

Thank you, you dumb ass shitheads that voted against your own best interests......again. You got played and now the rest of us who didn't buy into Trump's scam are going to suffer the consequences of your actions.

Thank you not at all.
The meltdown continues. haha
 

Starbuck1975

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I don't see Democrats criticizing the action outside of saying it's basically an ineffective PR stunt, which it is. I do see Republicans magically in favor of something that they hated before though.

It's not just the party either, it's the people. I get why political parties lie all the time, it's advantageous. What I don't get is why individuals would do a 180 on something like this unless it's just an emotional response to supporting their political sports team.
I am seeing a double 180. People in favor of big government intervention in the market now questioning Trump doing so and throwing a fit over it.

People who threw a fit over Obama adventures in bailouts and investment suddenly overjoyed that Trump saved what 700 jobs?
 

agent00f

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"Both" parties have been corporate/bankster folks for a long time. Really, they're one party — The Plutocracy Party — with two types of marketing.

There's an interesting piece at The Atlantic about the "Watergate Babies" and how the Democratic party killed populism.

The Obama white house literally mocked unions for supporting their pro-union candidate instead of the anti-union Obama/DNC candidate. When the pro-union guy lost the Obama people laughed at them for "wasting all that money".

They should've used that money to pay off some minority group to take one for the team. Nobody was going to beat the mexicans-are-rapists guy in race-resentment central without their own brown stereotype to malign.

The meltdown continues. haha

Case in point it's a terrible return on investment going to these types.
 

agent00f

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I am seeing a double 180. People in favor of big government intervention in the market now questioning Trump doing so and throwing a fit over it.

People who threw a fit over Obama adventures in bailouts and investment suddenly overjoyed that Trump saved what 700 jobs?

White welfare turn out a terrible investment for the democrats when it was hard-countered by racial solidarity.
 
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Well conservatives were extremely angry about that so I assume you are enraged about this as well?
You assume wrongly, I don't have enough information about the "deal" at this time to judge its merits. Nice attempt to twist this though...I would expect nothing less from you.
 

agent00f

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Investments with a future? The companies I listed were all failures.

That's just your dishonest dummy brain ignoring the successes. Long term tech is high risk/reward.

I would say don't worry your little head because smart people administer it, but trumpsters are taking over.
 

buckshot24

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I am seeing a double 180. People in favor of big government intervention in the market now questioning Trump doing so and throwing a fit over it.

People who threw a fit over Obama adventures in bailouts and investment suddenly overjoyed that Trump saved what 700 jobs?
We don't know if this is a "bailout" at this point. Also, I don't see removing governmental impediments as a violation to free market principles.
 
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That's just your dishonest dummy brain ignoring the successes. Long term tech is high risk/reward.
I'm talking about those who criticize Trump for picking a company and allegedly giving it special treatment "for his own PR reasons" in contrast to Obama effectively doing the same for an entire sector of companies "for his own PR reasons". Are you slow or is this just your "dishonest dummy brain" ignoring the context of my words?
 
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agent00f

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I'm talking about those who criticize Trump for picking a company and allegedly giving it special treatment "for his own PR reasons" vs Obama effectively doing the same for an entire sector of companies "for his own PR reasons". Are you really slow or is this just your dishonest brain ignoring the context of my words?

I've already pointed out the dishonesty of your words given it's pretty obvious you can figure out how tech investment works.
 
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I've already pointed out the dishonesty of your words given it's pretty obvious you can figure out how tech investment works.
I understand fully how tech investment works. You're a complete idiot ffs. Can you not read and actually grasp what I said?
 

Jhhnn

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I am seeing a double 180. People in favor of big government intervention in the market now questioning Trump doing so and throwing a fit over it.

People who threw a fit over Obama adventures in bailouts and investment suddenly overjoyed that Trump saved what 700 jobs?
We don't know if this is a "bailout" at this point. Also, I don't see removing governmental impediments as a violation to free market principles.

It's a violation when done selectively.

The best part is watching all the Repub politicians who raved against the bailouts (You know, the ones that staved off economic collapse) all whooping & hollering about 1000 jobs.

It's also great to see them moving back towards Wild West levels of financial regulation that led to the need for the bailouts in the first place.

What could go wrong?
 

fskimospy

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I'm talking about those who criticize Trump for picking a company and allegedly giving it special treatment "for his own PR reasons" in contrast to Obama effectively doing the same for an entire sector of companies "for his own PR reasons". Are you slow or is this just your "dishonest dummy brain" ignoring the context of my words?

Yes, clearly increasing the scale and scope of a Department of Energy loan program into alternative energy was just a PR stunt. What I do know though is that conservatives were enraged by the government intervening in the market and 'picking winners and losers'. Shockingly enough, conservatives have suddenly become totally okay with that. I wonder what changed? Maybe you can help with this.
 

fskimospy

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We don't know if this is a "bailout" at this point. Also, I don't see removing governmental impediments as a violation to free market principles.

Because it's for select companies and not all companies. Not really a complicated thing.
 

agent00f

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I understand fully how tech investment works. You're a complete idiot ffs. Can you not read and actually grasp what I said?

Everyone can see your dishonest rhetorical attempt at conflating dissimilar things. For your sake you don't want to follow buckshot's lead.
 

fskimospy

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Everyone can see your dishonest rhetorical attempt at conflating dissimilar things. For your sake you don't want to follow buckshot's lead.

Are you trying to say that government investment into alternative energy isn't equal to the president calling up a company and asking them not to move jobs? I'M SHOCKED.

I think we're in for a classic Doc Savage Fan 'who, me?' moment coming up soon. I'm excited for it as it's been awhile!
 
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Yes, clearly increasing the scale and scope of a Department of Energy loan program into alternative energy was just a PR stunt. What I do know though is that conservatives were enraged by the government intervening in the market and 'picking winners and losers'. Shockingly enough, conservatives have suddenly become totally okay with that. I wonder what changed? Maybe you can help with this.
And saving 1000 jobs is just a "PR stunt" as well. There's a reason I used quotes.
 
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