Trump tweets: “These guys, the investigators, ought to be in jail... Mueller is a coverup."

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Jhhnn

IN MEMORIAM
Nov 11, 1999
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Quickly scanning the thread, I do not see a single person explaining why the President said this, or why Rush Limbaugh said this. May I suggest you are all foolish to outright dismiss a big movement among Fox News and the Republican Party. You are not giving this subject the level of attention it deserves, given the amount of time and energy they spend on it.

You know neither their reasoning, or how to attack and dismantle it. Therefore you know nothing on how to persuade others on this subject. Were it to continue as it has, this thread would be nothing more than hollow chest thumping and a complete waste of everyone's time.

Simply put, their argument is that Trump's opponents used Hillary Clinton's paid-for fake Russian sourced dossier to lie before Federal Court in order to spy on their political opponent during the 2016 election, and then after losing the election they used it to start an investigation with the ultimate goal of achieving a coup against a duly elected President and against the results of the 2016 election. To disenfranchise voters and attack American democracy. Deep state, etc. "The biggest abuse of power / corruption in history".

That all this began with Hillary Clinton colluding with Russia to take down Trump.

Do not roll your eyes. Republicans believe this and you are ill prepared to prove otherwise, or to contest them politically.

It''s all just a rehash of Nunes' efforts. And it's also extremely weak sauce in the face of several federal convictions, confessions & indictments.
 

Jaskalas

Lifer
Jun 23, 2004
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Whose going to support theses claims the right is making? The FBI? The National Intelligence Agenices?

You appear to have defined support as in people in authority providing evidence.
No, I mean support as in the voters / public at large are being fed these concoctions.

Now the President is essentially calling for action to arrest the targets of these stories. How long until these "fanciful stories" result in the use of force? Before they are acted upon?

An alternative reality is a dangerous thing.
 

Paratus

Lifer
Jun 4, 2004
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You appear to have defined support as in people in authority providing evidence.
No, I mean support as in the voters / public at large are being fed these concoctions.

Now the President is essentially calling for action to arrest the targets of these stories. How long until these "fanciful stories" result in the use of force? Before they are acted upon?

An alternative reality is a dangerous thing.

I don’t know. It would be the same 30% who support him no matter what. The threat of violence has been there since he first started chanting lock her up. It’s also been acted on before too if you remember the synagogue shooting in Pittsburgh.
 

zzyzxroad

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Whose going to support theses claims the right is making? The FBI? The National Intelligence Agenices?

Hardly. So it’s just the president, his inner circle and the talking heads on various rightwing media.

If they do get someone credible to lie and support this position the House can subpoena the hell out of them and the intelligence agencies to let the truth out.

So I’m not sure how this is any different than all the other fanciful stories righties tell themselves.
A normal person looks at what is going on on and says this looks really fishy but let's get all the facts. Whackos buy into conspiracy theories to prepare for a possible outcome.
 

Jhhnn

IN MEMORIAM
Nov 11, 1999
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You appear to have defined support as in people in authority providing evidence.
No, I mean support as in the voters / public at large are being fed these concoctions.

Now the President is essentially calling for action to arrest the targets of these stories. How long until these "fanciful stories" result in the use of force? Before they are acted upon?

An alternative reality is a dangerous thing.

"Crooked FBI! Deep State collusion!" is just the chorus to the song of Trump. His base already believes it, anyway. Beyond that, who's going to arrest who in this scenario?

Despite the best efforts of the GOP, we are not yet a corrupt kleptocracy.
 

DaaQ

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this is your second reply to that post, your feels are showing.

obligatory


LOL these are the "I'm going to be a CEO too one day" kind of people.

Funny that a "CEO" thinks that Presidency of the USA means CEO of The United States.
 
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Vic

Elite Member
Jun 12, 2001
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Quickly scanning the thread, I do not see a single person explaining why the President said this, or why Rush Limbaugh said this. May I suggest you are all foolish to outright dismiss a big movement among Fox News and the Republican Party. You are not giving this subject the level of attention it deserves, given the amount of time and energy they spend on it.

You know neither their reasoning, or how to attack and dismantle it. Therefore you know nothing on how to persuade others on this subject. Were it to continue as it has, this thread would be nothing more than hollow chest thumping and a complete waste of everyone's time.

Simply put, their argument is that Trump's opponents used Hillary Clinton's paid-for fake Russian sourced dossier to lie before Federal Court in order to spy on their political opponent during the 2016 election, and then after losing the election they used it to start an investigation with the ultimate goal of achieving a coup against a duly elected President and against the results of the 2016 election. To disenfranchise voters and attack American democracy. Deep state, etc. "The biggest abuse of power / corruption in history".

That all this began with Hillary Clinton colluding with Russia to take down Trump.

Do not roll your eyes. Republicans believe this and you are ill prepared to prove otherwise, or to contest them politically.

I don't disagree with this, but the problem is convincing liberals that the conservative need for conformity is so powerful that they can so readily believe the exact opposite of observable reality.
 

Vic

Elite Member
Jun 12, 2001
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god damn: you are one pathetic, deplorable cvnt.
Any moment now, Slow, Ugly, or dyna are going to cite Smollett as proof that the Matthew Shepard murder, the Charleston church massacre, and Charlotteville never happened.
 
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Vic

Elite Member
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Do you think conservatives want an ethnic supremacy based country?
Of course they do, because that is the very definition of conservativism and right wing ideology, ie the conservation and enforcement of the social, cultural, and economic status quo.
 

Hayabusa Rider

Admin Emeritus & Elite Member
Jan 26, 2000
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Well looks like more obstruction as what was done is exactly how it is supposed to be. Sucks for Trumpettes.
 

SlowSpyder

Lifer
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I honestly wasn't familiar with the c word when I was in 4th grade. What kind of shithole community were you raised in to be in command of that stuff in the 4th grade?


I grew up in a very mixed environment with lots of minorities. They were smoking weed in 4th grade where I was. You sound like a sheltered cvnt.
 

Vic

Elite Member
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I grew up in a very mixed environment with lots of minorities. They were smoking weed in 4th grade where I was. You sound like a sheltered cvnt.
I miss the days when pointless, vulgar name-calling like this was a permaban-able offense on ATPN. Now, unfortunately, in the name of 'free speech,' we have posters like you, who bring no more insight or intelligence to the discussion than does a sheep bleating.
 
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SlowSpyder

Lifer
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I miss the days when pointless, vulgar name-calling like this was a permaban-able offense on ATPN. Now, unfortunately, in the name of 'free speech,' we have posters like you, who bring no more insight or intelligence to the discussion than does a sheep bleating.


I only returned use of that word because of post #57... shocker you quote me on it though. TDS and SSDS with you.
 
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Meghan54

Lifer
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I grew up in a very mixed environment with lots of minorities. They were smoking weed in 4th grade where I was. You sound like a sheltered cvnt.

And you quaked in fear of those others, amiright? Hiding in your bedroom, quietly cursing the slights you've perceived stacked against you, so unfair, right? Because your antics on this forum describe exactly that sort of upbringing. You silently raging against anyone not you and your mum patting your head, consoling you that none of the others would share their weed with you, or talk to you, or quit taking your lunch money. Sad, pathetic cuck you are, Jussie.
 
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