Trump undermines May on Brexit

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mikeymikec

Lifer
May 19, 2011
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First of all, the government and everyone need to respect the result, second you don't know and doesn't have a proof that majority of the people want to cancel brexit.

I find it interesting that you asked a question, basically ignored both responses and then said "no, you're wrong" along with a straw man as the conclusion to your argument.

If you're so certain of your position, then it should be able to withstand some critical analysis and give reasoned responses in counterpoints of your position. That is, if you're interested in the meaningful exchange of ideas and learning something.

Here's some counterpoints to your latest response (despite the fact that you haven't addressed the previous counterpoints at all):

What does "respecting the result" entail? Does two years of attempted and failed negotiations to achieve the instruction set forward by the referendum not count with regard to "respecting the result"? If all research into projected outcomes for various Brexit outcomes showed that the UK as a whole would be significantly worse off for leaving the EU, should the UK government have to steer us down a path they know to be detrimental to our future? In what scenario would you say, "no, leaving the EU would be an incredibly bad idea"?
 
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Veliko

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Feb 16, 2011
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First of all, the government and everyone need to respect the result, second you don't know and doesn't have a proof that majority of the people want to cancel brexit.

I have no idea what point you're trying to make here. Are you agreeing or disagreeing with what I said?
 

fskimospy

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‘Respect the result’ is such a weird and dumb argument. As it becomes increasingly clear that Brexit was a bad idea why keep doing it?
 

Paratus

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Well Brexit is going so well, “their should be enough food for everyone”.

https://slate.com/news-and-politics...enough-food-for-everyone-stage-of-brexit.html

The prospect of Britain being forced to leave the EU next year without having negotiated a deal on future economic relations with Europe is becoming very real, and newly appointed Brexit secretary Dominic Raab told Parliament on Tuesday that the government is making preparations to “make sure there is adequate food supply” if that happens. He denied claims that the government is “stockpiling” food, saying that it would simply work with private suppliers to ensure there is no disruption.

You know things are going well when the government has to prepare for an adequate food supply. I wonder what happened to the $350M/ week Brexit was supposed to provided?
 

mikeymikec

Lifer
May 19, 2011
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We've just done a bit of stockpiling, I plan to do some more closer to the time. We think there are two risks: Food scarcity resulting in price rises (just because unscrupulous sellers can and do do that), and food unavailability.

Of course we have no idea how long it might go on for so there's no preparing for the 'likely' eventuality.

A libdem rep I know still thinks there's going to be a second referendum. May has recently stated there won't be.
 

K1052

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Aug 21, 2003
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We've just done a bit of stockpiling, I plan to do some more closer to the time. We think there are two risks: Food scarcity resulting in price rises (just because unscrupulous sellers can and do do that), and food unavailability.

Of course we have no idea how long it might go on for so there's no preparing for the 'likely' eventuality.

A libdem rep I know still thinks there's going to be a second referendum. May has recently stated there won't be.


2016: We'll have so much more money for NHS and more prosperity

2019: The zombie riots have been contained to Manchester and Liverpool. Electricity will be on between 10AM and 2 PM. Soylent Green is available at your local pub with the correct ration card.
 

trenchfoot

Lifer
Aug 5, 2000
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Repubs will forever be known as the enablers of Putin's grip on Trump's balls. They have chosen to ignore this piercing claxon call to arms against our most dangerous foe in order to pursue their highest priority of keeping power in order to stuff the Supreme Court with activist conservative judges, thus mitigating the looming threat of a lasting opposition majority that would move the nation forward rather than regress the nation "back to those good 'ol days" where the GOP is now forcing us to go.

This is tantamount to ruling by decree where the Supreme Court is now a mere puppet of the GOP and the very wealthy that owns their asses, a mere tool to silence the voice of the majority, a gadget to enable them to rule over the nation as a minority.

Trump has been systematically alienating our nation against our allies and pushing us into Putin's sphere of influence. That this is so blatantly obvious to any who care to notice yet totally ignored by a compliant Repub controlled legislature is in spirit a treasonous act.

Trump's alarming reckless behavior toward our allies and in this particular case against out closest ally of all has one very consistent result. It separates ourselves from our allies and drives us into the arms of Putin. Why is it that Trump's supporters seem absolutely fine with this? Aren't these kinds of threats against our nation what their long held ideology is supposed to prevent or at the least resist against?

Would the Repubs give a Democrat president who behaves exactly as Trump does the same deference, the same total lack of their use of checks and balances in order to maintain the rule of law that they were once so proud to wave as a banner to rally around? Of course not. So then why is that the case?

The nation's security is in jeopardy where Trump can hold secret one on one meetings with our enemies and make agrreements that literally excludes the will and the interests of the people. This is raw unmitigated dictatorship at work here folks. No two ways about it.

Trump and his enablers at the legislature are taking us down a path dictated by Putin. That the folks who choose to have this happen to us are silent in their dissent of Trump having such dictatorial powers that is leading us to ruin is also in spirit, a treasonous act.
 
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