Same flight for a single person from Milwaukee or Chicago starts at ~$600. So tell me more about how all airports are the same cost for travel. and if you pay $2k+ to get to London, and then another $2.5k+ to get to Rome from there...well, all it takes is a little math to notice you're already at half of that 10k mark, smart guy...
Airports definitely vary pricewise. Recently, flew on Southwest from Boston to Vegas. I would have preferred Hartford (BDL) to Vegas, but it was double the price and the flight time weren't as good either.
Companies line airlines are using "big data" to calculate prices very quickly. It will change almost daily IMRXP.
again im not sure if you are just acting stupid or you are? everything was purchased second hand. i drive to the snow in the morning and drive home when it closes, food i already said is going to be pbj sandwiches because YES THE food is crazy expensive there like 20$ for a hamburger.Okay let’s do some math.
Going into a tough area because I don’t ski.
Let’s assume 4 people are going. I assume ski equipment rentals go $25 per day, I assume lift ticket is another $25, let’s roll with $10 per person in food. That’s $240 without housing. I’ll assume some cheap rental can be found for $60 per night. $300 per day minimum. If you have a $1200 budget there can be no travel or gifts or anything else. You have a 4 night vacation.
No way someone making $40k per year just has skiing equipment just lying around.
What I’m saying....and I hate saying it....check your privilege @killster1
You have done well for yourself and sounds like you provide and care for your family well. Congratulations, keep in mind many others cannot March what you have such as multi week vacations, few thousand spare money to spend.
i guess you are to high to read.. the first flight was 2.3k, the flight from london to rome was actually less than 400$ for 7 people. im not a math teacher but 2.3k+400 is 5k? YOU ARE SO HIGH!!!! sorry you live in such a shitty place, i can hold your hand and book your flights for you if you really plan on going. i see flights from Cambodia to Philippians 4,000$ each but if i fly to Bangkok for 50$ first, the flight is 300$.. HMM what to do.. (oh wait when you are high and mentally challenged i guess you just pay the 4000$ or dong go snorkeling in the Philippians hahah) take a bus to nY then fly from there i bet it will be even cheaper than San Francisco..Same flight for a single person from Milwaukee or Chicago starts at ~$600. So tell me more about how all airports are the same cost for travel. and if you pay $2k+ to get to London, and then another $2.5k+ to get to Rome from there...well, all it takes is a little math to notice you're already at half of that 10k mark, smart guy...
pro tip from my sister, always brows flights in a private browser. The airlines track that stuff and feed you higher rates knowing you need to fly on whatever dates.
I don’t fly often
never heard of a person that is normal age that cant fly or ride on bus, if you are such bad health then maybe vacations should not be a priority and to get back into normal health first. my links are very clear showing round trip prices for 7 travelers (of course i never said anyone with a single income of 40,000 should travel to europe for 4 weeks with 7 people but it can easily be done) im sure this whole thing was because i said teachers take off 2 months a year in vacation and get paid 12 checks a year and i know many teachers none of them make only 40k to start let alone after a few years of teaching. (they make 60+K) they pay child care costs and live in expensive houses and drive expensive cars and complain about money YES! but they still take their families on vacations for long periods of time. Just think how much you waste on cellphone bills cable tv getting haircuts oil changes etc, i dont have any of those things, cut my own hair even, no cable tv just internet (40 a month) and yearly cellphone plans (200$ ((17$ a month)) for verizon 5gb a month unlimited talk and txt for the adults and 60$ a year plans for the kids) change my own oil, work on my own cars if there ever was a issue.You are and have been very fortunate. That's great that things have worked out for you and glad to hear you are successful.
Not sure where you get the idea that everyone is as fortunate as you are and have been, or can organize travel the same way (not talking about mental power, genius...there are other considerations such as health of travelers, and long flights or bus rides are not always an option). Stepping back and looking at the big picture, I still see too many assumptions of simplicity being made, when you are only looking at it subjectively.
edit: yes, the 5k remark was an error in thinking you meant $400 per person, and you can relax on the accusations of being stoned...another assumption
Okay let’s do some math.
Going into a tough area because I don’t ski.
Let’s assume 4 people are going. I assume ski equipment rentals go $25 per day, I assume lift ticket is another $25, let’s roll with $10 per person in food. That’s $240 without housing. I’ll assume some cheap rental can be found for $60 per night. $300 per day minimum. If you have a $1200 budget there can be no travel or gifts or anything else. You have a 4 night vacation.
No way someone making $40k per year just has skiing equipment just lying around.
What I’m saying....and I hate saying it....check your privilege @killster1
You have done well for yourself and sounds like you provide and care for your family well. Congratulations, keep in mind many others cannot March what you have such as multi week vacations, few thousand spare money to spend.
Yeah, sorry for the major thread derail...Ugh, how did this turn into an out of touch brag thread.
Oh wait, it's a trump thread, carry on.
Yeah per that chart Carter is the only one who did it right.
I was coming to say. Personally I believe all Presidents take far too much vacation time. 40 plus days a year off is a pretty good job.
That’s using Obama’s meager numbers.
Presidents should be like the rest of us, 20 days off a year not expected to be in the office on holidays provided nothing is going on.
when campaigning for re-election that is not vacation time provided they are actually campaigning.
My main problem with President Trump is he obviously lied when he said he would be the hardest working president and we’d know because he would never take a vacation, plus his perpetual bitching about Obama’s vacations. President Trump is easily exceeding all recent Presidents.
Same flight for a single person from Milwaukee or Chicago starts at ~$600. So tell me more about how all airports are the same cost for travel. and if you pay $2k+ to get to London, and then another $2.5k+ to get to Rome from there...well, all it takes is a little math to notice you're already at half of that 10k mark, smart guy...
How much for the rest of you?It was $6000 to fly my ass to london from la
no. we should all have 30+ days off. 20 days is insanity, and is why Americans are universally fucked in our brains.
(1)...never heard of a person that is normal age that cant fly or ride on bus....
(2)....of course i never said anyone with a single income of 40,000 should travel to europe for 4 weeks with 7 people but it can easily be done....
(3)....i know many teachers none of them make only 40k to start let alone after a few years of teaching. (they make 60+K) they pay child care costs and live in expensive houses and drive expensive cars and complain about money YES....
(4)....Just think how much you waste on cellphone bills cable tv getting haircuts oil changes etc, i dont have any of those things, cut my own hair even, no cable tv just internet (40 a month) and yearly cellphone plans (200$ ((17$ a month)) for verizon 5gb a month unlimited talk and txt for the adults and 60$ a year plans for the kids) change my own oil, work on my own cars if there ever was a issue....
(5)i think of myself as very poor making small money for long hours, 140k is not alot of money ...
wow you are still on this shit? who do you think stays in the camp grounds and hostels? millionaires? You guys didnt even know how much flights cost quoting 5000 or 10000$ when i show prices you still have excuses about "what about people who are not healthy enough to take flights or bus rides" wtf does that have to do with people taking vacations?Each and every one of these statements puts your personal reality in doubt...
(1) Then you are ignoring large swaths of the public that are less physically capable than you are
(2) So...which is it? They shouldn't try, or it can be done? Conflicting statements here
(3) You 'know many teachers' where you live, in California, arguably the most expensive state to live besides maybe Hawaii, but no that's not a skewed statement...
(4) More assumptions that everyone else is just too lazy/stupid to be as frugal as you are
(5)You have no idea what the definition of "very poor" is, my friend...or you would not live in CA and have a family of 7...
Again, everything is subjective in your statements. You believe everyone else is just as capable of you of doing these things, "if they aren't doing too many drugs, hurr..."
...You guys didnt even know how much flights cost quoting 5000 or 10000$ when i show prices you still have excuses about "what about people who are not healthy enough to take flights or bus rides" wtf does that have to do with people taking vacations?...
YES CAN BE DONE EASILY but we all prioritize whats important in life and if traveling is a pririoty then yes go on the vacation, we are not getting younger and like you said traveling might not be as enjoyable in 5 years after you have lung cancer from smoking to much drugs HAHA
3. yes i know many teachers, family members being teachers they have friends that are teachers.
4. yes everyone is to lazy to change their own oil, do their own haircuts, recycle, they would rather sit around the house on their days off and watch tv and relax then work on the days off save some $$ and take 4 weeks off.
5. i have been homeless before so im pretty sure i know what poor is what very poor is. I have always had a job however but i choose to not spend money on rent for 6 months saved up and lived in bad conditions showering at a 24 hour fitness.
6. this whole conversation is about how its not expensive to have children, i asked 3 or 4 times for your examples of what is so expensive about kids. You have said jack shit and instead just say im lying about this or that. Yes people are lazy they dont want to shop on craigslist or buy clothes from the thrift store. no one i know shops at the thrift store they all go to major chain stores just to purchase anything. let alone buying off ebay.. so now that i answered all your million questions how about you answer the one i keep asking over and over. how is it expensive to raise kids? or do you not even have kids and are just speaking out your ....
we already both proved you are wrong about the travel cost, i gave very easy solutions to lower the cost even more then retail like taking a bus first to a major city. you just again say liar liar and give 0 examples how you THiNK kids are expensive. everything is as expensive as you make it. I ask 90% of my co workers what they are doing for the vacation or days off they say "NOTHING" sitting at the house watch tv this or that. Go ahead and watch youtube of people taking frugal vacations if you are not smart enough to believe that people do it. Their are SHITTONS of people that dont need to stay in king suites and eat at 5 star restaurants for every meal. Hell i even rode the metro most of my travels and you say im not poor.Interesting how you skip things that were brought up, like the cost of the trip depending on where you are traveling from. I can't help that you ignore data points from other people, and only take your own as 'truth' in order to support the idea of your own reality being applicable to everyone else.
Liar.
So? It doesn't matter how you know them, or how close you are to them. It doesn't change the fact that your idea of a teacher's salary is not realistic when applied to the country as a whole. Teaching is NOT a lucrative position.
So, more possibly false assumptions. Yes, you are the ONLY person in 'Murca who does their own maintenance. You are the only one with gumption to do your own work to save money. Give me a break, man.
Been homeless, and still think of 140k/yr as "very poor"? That's laughable. Who are you trying to fool- us? Or yourself?
So do you want an itemized list? "Kids are cheap. Prove me wrong." Uhh...anyone else in this thread that has had children BESIDES you, would likely not agree with you. Probably because they are more honest with themselves and others. You are ignoring ideas and making generalized statements that do not apply universally, but in your mind they should. If anyone else can't do the same, they're just lazy, high, stupid, etc etc.
I'm done. I can't debate/argue with dishonest people with skewed reality.
So? It doesn't matter how you know them, or how close you are to them. It doesn't change the fact that your idea of a teacher's salary is not realistic when applied to the country as a whole. Teaching is NOT a lucrative position.
I think it is safe to assume the majority who have a household income of $40k with two kids likely have cut most expenses to the bare bone. Telling them to value shop better would likely net minimal savings. Regarding doing car maintenance the $40k household likely own some car(s) that are older and much more prone to breakdown.
Teaching vs. Accounting
Kindergarten and Elementary School Teachers : Occupational Outlook Handbook: : U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics
Kindergarten and elementary school teachers instruct young students in basic subjects in order to prepare them for future schooling.www.bls.gov
~57-60K median
Accountants and Auditors : Occupational Outlook Handbook: : U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics
Accountants and auditors prepare and examine financial records.www.bls.gov
~70K median
Not too shabby for a job with around 20% less hours and a much better backend (retire with around 80% pay plus subsidized health care).
If we're talking about CA, mean is 80K, and only about 8-18% of the compensation is going into their great pensions. Many of these positions filled by women married to college educated spouses. That's a lot of 100K+ households. Far, far from being paupers.
If that were true, 401K and 529 saving plans wouldn't be as pathetic as they are.