BAIT - hoping for a mod callout? Tsk...lol wut
Are you suggesting I've got a mod at my beck and call?
Given our history of religious freedom, that presents a bit of a sticky wicket, yeah? We're talking about a fundamental change here.Probably impossible, but you could start by not respecting it. Ultimately education is how you'd rid the world of religion, since you can't fight totalitarianism with totalitarianism. Doesn't mean you can't try stop the worst (best?) of their adherents from entering your country, as immigration policy.
There's like 1.6 billion of them, if it were a fundamental underlying problem with Islam as a whole, shouldn't we be seeing more problems than we are right now?Funny how the best argument any apologist can come up is that islam is ok because nobody really follows it that closely, and that their family doctor of 10 years is a wonderful man. There's nothing to recommend about islam, or either of the nonsense it was plagiarized from. It's also actually worse than either since it claims to be the final revelation. It's the ultimate monotheism. It's probably going to dominate the world in 50 years unless we make america great again.
I will take that as a "yes", you do believe that. I'm really not sure where you'd be getting that from, but I promise I don't want to see you or Speedy or anyone banned.BAIT - hoping for a mod callout? Tsk...
Uh no. Jewish doctrine wasn't the #1 leading cause of global attacks/viiolence and nor does their doctrine say it's ok to chop off limbs from infidels who cause mischief against them. Nor did they worship a shithead pedo prophet like Muhammed who encouraged resolving issues with the sword.Do you know what the Nazis did in 1933 after they had won seats in the german parliament, and when Hitler was appointed chancellor? They forced every Jew to register wherever they lived.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Islamist_terrorist_attacksGiven our history of religious freedom, that presents a bit of a sticky wicket, yeah? We're talking about a fundamental change here.
There's like 1.6 billion of them, if it were a fundamental underlying problem with Islam as a whole, shouldn't we be seeing more problems than we are right now?
I see 41 attacks listed there for 2016. For 1.6 billion adherents, that seems like a pretty small fraction to use against the rest of them.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Islamist_terrorist_attacks
There's an attack in the name of islam every month, usually multiple. And this is just what's reported where reporters can get the story, think about the atrocities that ISIS is committing in Raqqa. I'd love to know how you define "more problems than we are [seeing] right now"?
Are you aware of the Pew Research polling done in Islamic countries? You don't need to actually do the killing to be the problem. If you believe it is sometimes justified to commit terrorism then you are part of the problem. If you believe it is sometimes justified to kill apostates then you are part of the problem.There's like 1.6 billion of them, if it were a fundamental underlying problem with Islam as a whole, shouldn't we be seeing more problems than we are right now?
Uh no. Jewish doctrine wasn't the #1 leading cause of global attacks/viiolence and nor does their doctrine say it's ok to chop off limbs from infidels who cause mischief against them. Nor did they worship a shithead pedo prophet like Muhammed who encouraged resolving issues with the sword.
Trump advocates war crimes, but that's cool because he's your guy.Are you aware of the Pew Research polling done in Islamic countries? You don't need to actually do the killing to be the problem. If you believe it is sometimes justified to commit terrorism then you are part of the problem. If you believe it is sometimes justified to kill apostates then you are part of the problem.
Because the Germans lied about the Jews doesn't mean anything in this discussion. The problem is with Islam, not the adherents. Most Muslims aren't a problem.Haha, actually if you asked a Nazi in 1933 what the biggest threat to Europe they would gladly tell you it is the Jews. You cite basically the same rationale they would for Jews, but you replace them with Muslims. You're just a new type a fascist.
You can't look at it as 1.6 billion since the majority of that number is comprised of muslims in their own countries. Look at how many attacks come in western countries and the percentages of that total. It's higher than any other group/religion per person. We cannot afford to have that kind of gasoline + match in our country. Let them think their crazy shit in their own country and leave us the fuck alone. Our ideologies are incompatible since their religion is too dam rigid and won't get rid of the violence from the doctrine.I see 41 attacks listed there for 2016. For 1.6 billion adherents, that seems like a pretty small fraction to use against the rest of them.
I still don't know that I buy Omar Mateen's attack as an Islamic-based attack, since it seems to have turned out he was a closet case.
Given our history of religious freedom, that presents a bit of a sticky wicket, yeah? We're talking about a fundamental change here.
There's like 1.6 billion of them, if it were a fundamental underlying problem with Islam as a whole, shouldn't we be seeing more problems than we are right now?
In the Arab world today, the majority of its intellectuals are clerics, imams, and thinkers emerging from the core of Islamic values. Radical Islam simply does not routinely nurture free thinkers willing to brave the fires of what might otherwise become an Islamic Inquisition.
Is it even possible to transition from hierarchical religious authoritarianism to a modernized and even secularized form of Islamic democracy — one that accepts the separation of church and state?
While the possibility and harsh eventuality remains, this is a tall order since Islam, perhaps more than other monotheistic religions, invites itself into every aspect of social life. More specifically, Islam is inherently and by definition inconsistent with the separation of church and state.
There's like 1.6 billion of them, if it were a fundamental underlying problem with Islam as a whole, shouldn't we be seeing more problems than we are right now?
The biggest problem we run into here is that this attitude only helps fuel the fires of anti-American sentiment. I'll be the first to admit I don't know how to solve this, but I don't think regarding all of them as the enemy is the way to go.You can't look at it as 1.6 billion since the majority of that number is comprised of muslims in their own countries. Look at how many attacks come in western countries and the percentages of that total. It's higher than any other group/religion per person. We cannot afford to have that kind of gasoline + match in our country. Let them think their crazy shit in their own country and leave us the fuck alone. Our ideologies are incompatible since their religion is too dam rigid and won't get rid of the violence from the doctrine.
I can't dispute that either, but I think it's more complex than just Islam.Some would argue that primarily Islamic countries are not as optimal as first world secular democracies. They generally use statistics like life expectancy, standardized education test scores, standard of living, freedom index, etc... to back up those claims.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/alon-benmeir/is-islam-compatible-with_b_3562579.html
Don't tell me what I care about.It's probably a problem with empathy.
You only care about them "acting up" and inconveniencing your life, by detonating themselves or opening fire in malls when you're just out trying to get a slice of sbarro, or something.
You don't actually care about muslims themselves, about the hundreds of millions of women living as second class entities, for example - It's inherently patriachal just like the others, without even needing to get into it's novelties. You don't care about the hundreds of millions of muslims who live in private dread and fear of an eternal hell. Judaism doesn't go that far. It's only until jesus, meek and mild, that we see this degree of depravity. And they like to say the old testament is the bad one. People don't really appreciate how real hell is to some people. Anyway islam features hell too.
Try being a little more considerate of your fellow human beings. Underlying problem indeed. So selfish.
I wasn't aware that I was an Islam apologist?Alright. I apologize. You seem only to care about.......
I don't know how you can be an (apparent) islam apologist and still care about muslims. Feed me nails and call me rusty.
I see 41 attacks listed there for 2016. For 1.6 billion adherents, that seems like a pretty small fraction to use against the rest of them.
I still don't know that I buy Omar Mateen's attack as an Islamic-based attack, since it seems to have turned out he was a closet case.
Even if one didn't want to do any reading or study, all one has to do is open their eyes and see what's happening across Europe and refuse to allow that to also happen here.
...pity our Canadian prime minister Tater Tot is throwing open our borders to as many muslim (and ONLY muslim) immigrants as possible, AND approving muslim-only neighbourhoods with subsidized housing and reworked banking so there's no interest (by name at least) to comply with sharia law.
*sigh*
BAIT! She's hoping you'll say one wrong word so her pal can hit the Big Red Button.
I'm willing to discuss the answers.
Islam needs to be put to bed
Probably impossible, but you could start by not respecting it.
You were wrong about using that word, I think everybody agrees with that. That wasn't what I was referring to but hey, whatever.Dude, you've spent about 5 pages avoiding giving direct answers to many of my questions. You began with an assertion that I used the wrong word and ended up saying that you're not trying to tell me that I'm wrong.
Yeah, because disrespecting religions has worked *ever so well* in the past, and present. If you want to fuel a persecution complex, that's a pretty good way of doing it.