Trump wants to force all Muslims to register with a database

[ivwshane]

Who happened to become the majority of voters. That had a relatively high turn out in states which Trump won.

Not really. The turn out was less than in 2012. About a 1/3 of those that supported Obama in 2012 in some of the key states ended up voting for trump.

 

[HTFOff]

He "would certainly implement that — absolutely."

You know which other major political figure of the past 100 years asked everyone from one religion to register in the belief they were a threat?

The one consolation is that such a move would very likely be shot down before it ever got passed, since it'd be a gross constitutional violation. And if it wasn't... well, if you think the protests now are bad, they'd be on another level after a move like this.

I get the push back. The country gave the hand-wave to your team on basically every front, top to bottom. You feel hopeless.

But posting year-old articles less than a week after the election comes off a little bitter. Lil' bit. Lil' bit.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

First thing, Trump is an idiot.

Second thing is that no matter who voted for what, the courts will strike this down if it made it through Congress which it won't. And no, any appointment he could make to the SCOTUS isn't going to support an attack on the Constitution in this way.

So on this one issue people can complain about him and some of his supporters, but this isn't happening.

 

[Puffnstuff]

First thing, Trump is an idiot.

Trump is inconsistent and if you'll follow his statements he's bound to contradict himself several times.

 

[trenchfoot]

So here we go. Trump got elected on promises he made but probably won't keep them and that's OK, because he didn't get elected based on all of that stuff and everybody that voted for him knows that, right?

So then he must have got elected based on what he didn't say and what he meant to say but didn't.

So as far as I'm concerned, the folks who voted for him knew what he meant to say but didn't because what he meant to say was what he couldn't say. And what he meant to say was what those that voted for him couldn't say either, but they knew what Trump meant without him saying it.

However, I know what Trump meant to say just from totaling up every mean and nasty thing that came out of his mouth and then "feeling" what he actually meant to say. And what I "feel " he meant to say is something I can't say but I know what I mean because I know what he means without saying it.

So that makes me some kind of Trump supporter because I and his supporters know what he means and that's something every liberalized liberal can't ever know because you can't use logic and common sense to know what Trump means, you gotta "feel" what he means. *wink* *wink*

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Trump is inconsistent and if you'll follow his statements he's bound to contradict himself several times.

He has an outrageous personality, but he now has 1/3 of a partnership, the others being the courts and Congress with the courts getting the final say. So he has a choice. He can go back to operating as a businessman and work with them or be marginalized. I hope it's the former, but in any case no database nonsense will happen. He won the election, but the number of citizens who picked him because they liked him is not that large. The opposition's pick made it far easier than it would otherwise have been.

 

[Puffnstuff]

Trump has historically been about what can he do to promote himself over the welfare of those around him and the people that were too stupid to understand that truth are about to get a rude awakening. Granted there are checks and balances in place but you cannot stop stupid. The working people who elected him are not educated in our labor history nor do they understand that the protections that they take for granted were all put into place by caring Democrats to give them a voice at work.

Even if you don't like labor unions, which I don't particularly care for, you still have protections provided by the NLRA, RLA and the other various labor oriented Acts that exist to protect people. My parents complain about SS but consistently vote against themselves by voting Republican. When people wrongfully assume things, which college attempts to break you of by showing you how to conduct scholarly research, think critically and perform a rhetorical analysis, then anything goes and you end up believing whatever fringe media presents to you as truth.

 

[Scooby Doo]

Having another Scalia in the court is a BAD thing....

 

[ivwshane]

First thing, Trump is an idiot.

Second thing is that no matter who voted for what, the courts will strike this down if it made it through Congress which it won't. And no, any appointment he could make to the SCOTUS isn't going to support an attack on the Constitution in this way.

So on this one issue people can complain about him and some of his supporters, but this isn't happening.

I'll think I'll bookmark this post.

When the Japanese internment camps happened where was the scotus?
When Bush authorized torture on terrorists, where was the scotus?
When Obama killed an American citizen without being given a trial, where was the scotus?

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Trump has historicity been about what can he do to promote himself over the welfare of those around him and the people that were too stupid to understand that truth are about to get a rude awakening. Granted there are checks and balances in place but you cannot stop stupid. The working people who elected him are not educated in our labor history nor do they understand that the protections that they take for granted were all put into place by caring Democrats to give them a voice at work.

Even if you don't like labor unions, which I don't particularly care for, you still have protections provided by the NLRA, RLA and the other various labor oriented Acts that exist to protect people. My parents complain about SS but consistently vote against themselves by voting Republican. When people wrongfully assume things, which college attempts to break you of by showing you how to conduct scholarly research nd think critically and perform a rhetorical analysis, then anything goes and you end up believing whatever fringe media presents to you as truth.

There will be problems that will be harder to deal with, but anything overty unconstitutional like this list isn't happening.

I agree though, we shouldn't underestimate the collective foolishness of the electorate. There are a few people I'd be tempted to smack that I know in real life.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

I'll think I'll bookmark this post.

When the Japanese internment camps happened where was the scotus?
When Bush authorized torture on terrorists, where was the scotus?
When Obama killed an American citizen without being given a trial, where was the scotus?

Bookmark it. If the list happens I'll admit I was wrong. If it does not then you will do likewise without being goaded into it or "but but but", crying how your side prevented it or whatever? A straight and uncomplicated "I was wrong" without any mitigation?

Oh, Obama took all our guns.

 

[ivwshane]

Bookmark it. If the list happens I'll admit I was wrong. If it does not then you will do likewise without being goaded into it or "but but but", crying how your side prevented it or whatever? A straight and uncomplicated "I was wrong" without any mitigation?

Oh, Obama took all our guns.

That doesn't really mean anything. If I'm wrong, life goes on, nothing changes, if you are wrong, well, don't apologize to me apologize to the families affected.

Btw, Obama never promised to take anyone's guns, trump on the other hand...

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

That doesn't really mean anything. If I'm wrong, life goes on, nothing changes, if you are wrong, well, don't apologize to me apologize to the families affected.

Btw, Obama never promised to take anyone's guns, trump on the other hand...

No Obama didn't promise, but irrational fear didn't care. That Congress and the SCOTUS would agree to this clear violation of the First is an irrational fear, and you know it at some level and so you won't answer my challenge. I'm confident in my judgement but at the same time I'll man up and admit if proven wrong.

You aren't so important that you can't stand to be seen as being in error and that is self defeating as it limits perspectives to what they must be rather than what they are.

The chances of something like this happening are akin to Clinton having dressed up everyone in red and making the US a Communist totalitarian state.

Neither scenario has a chance in hell.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

I know some Muslims that voted for Trump and agree that potential immigrants from countries that have high numbers of radial Islamics should be highly vetted before receiving permission to immigrate to the US

 

[fskimospy]

I know some Muslims that voted for Trump and agree that potential immigrants from countries that have high numbers of radial Islamics should be highly vetted before receiving permission to immigrate to the US

Highly vetting immigrants from areas prone to terrorism sounds like a good idea. It's probably why we were already doing it, haha.

Last time I checked Trump was clocking in at somewhere around 4% Muslim support so congrats on finding them!

 

[Victorian Gray]

I know some Muslims that voted for Trump and agree that potential immigrants from countries that have high numbers of radial Islamics should be highly vetted before receiving permission to immigrate to the US

You mean like the processes that are in place already.

 

[Sunburn74]

No Obama didn't promise, but irrational fear didn't care. That Congress and the SCOTUS would agree to this clear violation of the First is an irrational fear, and you know it at some level and so you won't answer my challenge. I'm confident in my judgement but at the same time I'll man up and admit if proven wrong.

A president should know the law and try to act within its bounds. Either trump doesn't know the law or doesn't care. Take your pick.

 

[mikeymikec]

Also, would the naysayers like to research the amount of times that a government is by law not allowed to do something, so it tries to either ignore or sidestep the law(s) in some way, regardless of whether their actions in the very least violate the spirit of those laws?

 

[SP33Demon]

It's about time somebody recognized the "religion of peace" for what it is. Maybe this will be a deterrent for allahu snackbar types since they know they're going to be watched extra special for believing a violent islamic ideology that is not compatible with ours. And let's be fair, it's impossible to separate the peaceful ones from the violent since the violent is incubated among the peaceful.

Also, the NSA already has profiled every one of us so this is no different. We already have a database of muslims, this is more of a PR stunt to deter them from wanting to come here.

 

[nakedfrog]

Come on, guy, I dislike Trump as much as the next reasonable person, but we need to judge him on the things he actually does, and not all the whackadoodle bullshit he said to get into office.

 

[nakedfrog]

It's about time somebody recognized the "religion of peace" for what it is. Maybe this will be a deterrent for allahu snackbar types since they know they're going to be watched extra special for believing a violent islamic ideology that is not compatible with ours. And let's be fair, it's impossible to separate the peaceful ones from the violent since the violent is incubated among the peaceful.

Also, the NSA already has profiled every one of us so this is no different. We already have a database of muslims, this is more of a PR stunt to deter them from wanting to come here.

It'd be neat if you could drag your turds across someone else's carpet though. Nearly a quarter of the world belongs to this religion, so you're not doing us any favors by acting like all of them are the enemy (or potentially the enemy).

 

[Zaap]

I know some Muslims that voted for Trump and agree that potential immigrants from countries that have high numbers of radial Islamics should be highly vetted before receiving permission to immigrate to the US

Likewise, I was quite surprised several Hispanics I know voted for Trump, and tell me he wasn't anywhere near as unpopular among their families as its been made out to be.

Turns out, not every Hispanic person ONLY cares about the single issue of illegal immigration. Not every Hispanic person is only concerned with being deported because they are here illegally, or is harboring a bunch of people who are. (Some actually find that idea condescending and insulting.) Some Hispanics actually care about other issues -just like everyone else- and not all run screaming at the words "enforce our immigration laws."

'magine that. The way the left oversold it (as usual) you'd have thought every single Hispanic person was just a carbon copy single issue duplicate of the next.

 

[Indus]

I never voted for Trumpfor any of the crap you posted. He was less horrible than Hillary.I voted for the conservative Supreme Court Justice appointments.

I haven't seen Trump do anything that I thought was racist.

Does the racism of Trump supporters not seem vile and insane to you? This is not to say the BLM setting cities on fire isn't as vile and insane but it seems to be "resentment" for just looking different for Trump supporters vs "resentment" for people who look like them getting mistreated and shot by Police.

I just want this to stop and quite realistically I don't see any other way other than to divide the country into 50 states.. and just say go be happy in your own state or move to one that's more liberal or conservative.

 

[bshole]

"Mexicans are rapists" doesn't ring a bell? How about calling for a shut down on all Muslim immigration, or calling for all Muslims to be registered in a national database? Those things he did (ie. campaigning on these points) don't ring any fucking bells at all?

Then why on earth did you post either of these comments?

Out of curiosity, exactly how much Muslim immigration do you support? Do you have an upper limit, for example, would your support for Muslim immigration stop at 100,000/yr, 1,000,000/yr or some higher number? If you have a higher number, why?

I don't support immigration for ANYBODY that doesn't have a job waiting for them already. The quality of support that we give the poorest in America has been sliding for quite awhile now. I do not see how bringing in uneducated persons with no skills and no hope for employment would do anything other than harm those already at the bottom. I am not overly strong in this conviction and could probably be moved from it. What do you think?

 

[Zaap]

I do not see how bringing in uneducated persons with no skills and no hope for employment would do anything other than harm those already at the bottom. I am not overly strong in this conviction and could probably be moved from it. What do you think?

You're absolutely right though. I'm curious why you'd even question that this is a wrong idea that you could be moved from? For what logical reason? Because you're not being PC enough to please someone else? Fuck that.


Of course I disagree with Trump's bullshit way of putting it, and talking about registering Muslim Americans already here and functioning in society is the biggest steaming load of crap.

But on the flipside, not letting idiot PC-cowed politicians ignore the real problems with unfettered immigration until we've got problems like Calais (look it up) festering out of control in our own country, is not an unreasonable position. It's perfectly legit to point out that other countries HAVE in many cases created HUGE, out of control, festering problems for themselves with NO REAL benefit to their countries, by allowing out of control immigration policies (or really, a complete LACK of any effective immigration policies.)