Trump wants to force all Muslims to register with a database

[mikeymikec]

Muslim isn't a race.

Good for you buckshot. When you have absolutely nothing of value to say, then split hairs.

AFAIK there is no word that defines disparagement according to the victim's religious belief*, and while what gets termed as racism is probably more accurately defined as xenophobia, it doesn't make it any less bad, unless of course one is a bigot (then one will probably take any excuse one can think of to justify their shitty attitudes regarding certain groups of people).

* - If I'm correct, it's a sad state of affairs that languages need to continue to evolve to include new words that define the latest forms of hate.

 

[mikeymikec]

That is not racist regardless of what you want it to be.

Incorrect. You don't consider it to be racist because you don't want it to be. If you want to engage in self-delusion, that's entirely your business.

Not allowing Non-Citizens, Refugees, immigrants from areas or countries that are known trouble areas Until they can be properly vetted is not racist. It is NOT the same thing as a mayor not allowing a citizen into his city, regardless of skin color and esp if it was based on skin color.

Which isn't want Trump said at all. Trump said "a total shutdown on Muslim immigration".

 

[pcgeek11]

Incorrect. You don't consider it to be racist because you don't want it to be. If you want to engage in self-delusion, that's entirely your business.



Which isn't want Trump said at all. Trump said "a total shutdown on Muslim immigration".

It still isn't racist as YOU want it to be.

Just for honesty lets at least quote Trumps entire statement(s). I agree with both of these statement 100%. Until we understand and have vetted those requesting entry into the US.

Donald J. Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country's representatives can figure out what is going on.

AND

Mr. Trump stated, "Without looking at the various polling data, it is obvious to anybody the hatred is beyond comprehension. Where this hatred comes from and why we will have to determine. Until we are able to determine and understand this problem and the dangerous threat it poses, our country cannot be the victims of horrendous attacks by people that believe only in Jihad, and have no sense of reason or respect for human life. If I win the election for President, we are going to Make America Great Again." - Donald J. Trump

 

[mikeymikec]

Donald J. Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country's representatives can figure out what is going on.

AND Until we are able to determine and understand this problem and the dangerous threat it poses,

So you think that calling for a shutdown on Muslim immigration until you are able to understand the problem and the dangerous threat that Muslims pose ISN'T RACIST? What the fuck would you call it? There are something like 1.5 billion Muslims in the world, and most of them do not come from what are currently considered to be "troubled regions".

I don't know why I'm asking this. Of course you don't think it's racist. I just wonder what it would take for Trump to say for you to actually think "hey, that's racist!".

 

[justoh]

Does anyone have any examples of anything Trump has said demonstrating him to be racist? Just curious.

 

[mikeymikec]

Does anyone have any examples of anything Trump has said that in any way indicated that he could be racist?

Try reading the fucking thread.

 

[pcgeek11]

So you think that calling for a shutdown on Muslim immigration until you are able to understand the problem and the dangerous threat that Muslims pose ISN'T RACIST? What the fuck would you call it? There are something like 1.5 billion Muslims in the world, and most of them do not come from what are currently considered to be "troubled regions".

I don't know why I'm asking this. Of course you don't think it's racist. I just wonder what it would take for Trump to say for you to actually think "hey, that's racist!".

I see where you get your incorrect definition of racist from, you are in the UK... That policy of Trump is in no way racist at all. I would call it a smart move. It is in our best interest to keep out undesirable people, as in those that do not pass a proper vetting. I see what a mess open borders have caused in the UK and Eastern Europe. I mean brexit and all.

If he said something racist I would call it such. The above is not for many reasons. The smallest of which is Muslim is not a race.

 

[Puffnstuff]

Take for example Syrian refugees. What skillset or education do they have to make them employable?

From what I understand, each Syrian refugee costs the federal government $20K just to bring here. That money comes from the taxpayers.

After they get here:
47% receive cash assistance
74% are on food stamps
56% are on Medicaid

Those numbers aren't that bad if only a trickle are coming in. If that number increases drastically, it could become quite problematic.



http://www.npg.org/library/forum-series/impact-refugees-size-security-u-s-population.html

Yes its true that each person brought into the country is costing each of us real money. Its also true that our own meddling has rewarded us with these humanitarian issues. So what is the answer? Personally I believe that we should stop bombing small countries into submission so their populace won't require relocation at our expense.

 

[pcgeek11]

Try reading the fucking thread.

LOL.

 

[agent00f]

If the liberal test for racism is any discrimination against any person, for any reason, who happens to be of a race, then isn't any kind of person discrimination racism? And what does that say about all of us? Is this what liberals mean when they say we are all racists?

Does anyone have any examples of anything Trump has said demonstrating him to be racist? Just curious.

When the klan reliably rallies to someone's side, suffice to say they get the message, ie "they know what he's talking about".

And here you are defending everything he has said, so suffice to say you got the message, too.

 

[mikeymikec]

I see where you get your incorrect definition of racist from, you are in the UK... That policy of Trump is in no way racist at all. I would call it a smart move. It is in our best interest to keep out undesirable people, as in those that do not pass a proper vetting. I see what a mess open borders have caused in the UK and Eastern Europe. I mean brexit and all.

The US doesn't have open borders, neither does the UK (except to EU citizens), so what the hell this has to do with Muslim immigrants let alone jihadists, I am not entirely sure, or what Muslims have to do with "undesirables". Maybe if you would like to volunteer your opinion of what racism means along with what you think the British one might be (just aside from the fact that ignorant people live in Britain too, so the idea that "the British" would have a common yet different definition to you is... interesting, to say the least).

Once again you're inserting your own meaning of Trump's words: he did not mention a "proper vetting", he called for a total shutdown. Not only do you have problems understanding what he said (and therefore what you support), you also think that disparaging and excluding more than a billion people based on explicit stated ignorance of the situation and the actions of a tiny nutjob percentage is a "smart move".

If he said something racist I would call it such. The above is not for many reasons. The smallest of which is Muslim is not a race.

Read up about the history of the social construct called race, and maybe once you've educated yourself, you may be able to argue from a position other than ignorance and wishful thinking.

Here is a bit of light reading that may help start you off:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_race_concepts

 

[pcgeek11]

Well I can see that you are never going to agree with me and I'm certainly not going to agree with you.

You have entertained me enough and I am done beating a dead horse.

Enjoy your Muslim Jihadis...

Oh and keeping the Muslims out until they can be vetted is still not racist.

 

[agent00f]

The US doesn't have open borders, neither does the UK (except to EU citizens), so what the hell this has to do with Muslim immigrants let alone jihadists, I am not entirely sure, or what Muslims have to do with "undesirables". Maybe if you would like to volunteer your opinion of what racism means along with what you think the British one might be (just aside from the fact that ignorant people live in Britain too, so the idea that "the British" would have a common yet different definition to you is... interesting, to say the least).

Once again you're inserting your own meaning of Trump's words: he did not mention a "proper vetting", he called for a total shutdown. Not only do you have problems understanding what he said (and therefore what you support), you also think that disparaging and excluding more than a billion people based on explicit stated ignorance of the situation and the actions of a tiny nutjob percentage is a "smart move".


Read up about the history of the social construct called race, and maybe once you've educated yourself, you may be able to argue from a position other than ignorance and wishful thinking.

Here is a bit of light reading that may help start you off:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_race_concepts

You mistakenly assume the opponent has a mind affected by facts or reason. Remember these are people who find a 3rd grade english level contains the best words.

Well I can see that you are never going to agree with me and I'm certainly not going to agree with you.

You have entertained me enough and I am done beating a dead horse.

Enjoy your Muslim Jihadis...

Oh and keeping the Muslims out until they can be vetted is still not racist.

Thanks for admitting that you're a total waste of anyone's time.

 

[Blanky]

He "would certainly implement that — absolutely."

You know which other major political figure of the past 100 years asked everyone from one religion to register in the belief they were a threat?

The one consolation is that such a move would very likely be shot down before it ever got passed, since it'd be a gross constitutional violation. And if it wasn't... well, if you think the protests now are bad, they'd be on another level after a move like this.

Old news, will never happen. Next.

 

[pcgeek11]

You mistakenly assume the opponent has a mind affected by facts or reason. Remember these are people who find a 3rd grade english level contains the best words.



Thanks for admitting that you're a total waste of anyone's time.

I didn't.

 

[agent00f]

I didn't.

If trump said it you'd agree.

 

[Blue_Max]

Try reading the fucking thread.

That's it - stay vague! Avoid making a specific statement so no one can call you on it.
Just keep shouting down that "wrongthink" whenever you see it. Good job! [golf clap]

 

[buckshot24]

Good for you buckshot. When you have absolutely nothing of value to say, then split hairs.

AFAIK there is no word that defines disparagement according to the victim's religious belief*, and while what gets termed as racism is probably more accurately defined as xenophobia, it doesn't make it any less bad, unless of course one is a bigot (then one will probably take any excuse one can think of to justify their shitty attitudes regarding certain groups of people).

* - If I'm correct, it's a sad state of affairs that languages need to continue to evolve to include new words that define the latest forms of hate.

I'm just tired of people misusing this word. I don't think there is anything wrong with scrutinizing people who believe certain things a little more. Terrorists are coming from a certain group of people, we'd be stupid to ignore this fact.

 

[mikeymikec]

I'm just tired of people misusing this word. I don't think there is anything wrong with scrutinizing people who believe certain things a little more.

How about talking about the actually important problem rather than focusing on splitting hairs about which word is correct to use to describe a particular form of bigotry?

Terrorists are coming from a certain group of people, we'd be stupid to ignore this fact.

If you take the minute percentages of multitudes of people into account who actually self-identify as Muslim extremists (such as ISIS) and apply them elsewhere in a similar manner, then just about everyone (based on however many pigeon-holes they can be put into) is a suspect terrorist or highly "undesirable" person whom Trump should be announcing a shutdown on immigration for. Tarring all Muslims with the "terrorist" brush is just plain idiotic from the standpoint that Trump took, and if you don't like the word racism, then use a different word that takes 90% of its origins from fear of foreigners (for whatever reason) and is just as ugly as racism.

 

[buckshot24]

How about talking about the actually important problem rather than splitting hairs about which word is correct to use to describe a particular form of bigotry?

How about you not use the wrong words? Don't get mad at me because you're abusing the definition of racism. You did that, not me.

If you take the minute percentages of multitudes of people into account who actually self-identify as Muslim extremists (such as ISIS) and apply them elsewhere in a similar manner, then just about everyone belonging to any given group is a suspect terrorist or highly "undesirable" person whom Trump should be announcing a shutdown on immigration for. Tarring all Muslims with the "terrorist" brush is just plain idiotic from the standpoint that Trump took, and if you don't like the word racism, then use a different word that takes 90% of its origins from fear of foreigners (for whatever reason) and is just as ugly as racism.

Yeah, nobody is tarring all Muslims as terrorist. I'll tell you what is idiotic, strip searching a grandma from Wisconsin to not look like we're profiling.

It isn't an accident that terrorists are almost always Muslim.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

So how will they develop the database? There's no mention of religion on the immigration forms or permanent resident (green) card.

 

[agent00f]

So how will they develop the database? There's no mention of religion on the immigration forms or permanent resident (green) card.

Do you seriously expect anyone to answer this or any other specifics of trump policies? Other than maybe it'll be through some company controlled by a lackey?

 

[lopri]

Try reading the fucking thread.

Is it any wonder why alt-right thinks it is their world now? Brace yourself.

 

[mikeymikec]

How about you not use the wrong words? Don't get mad at me because you're abusing the definition of racism. You did that, not me.

If you can convince me that racism doesn't play a part in this particular form of bigotry, ignorance and/or hate, I'll think you have something of value to say. Until then, you're splitting hairs over which word is the most correct one to use while bigotry is left unchallenged. I know which I would prefer to spend my time doing, and IMHO it's rather telling about what you would spend your time doing.

Yeah, nobody is tarring all Muslims as terrorist.

So you don't think that banning all Muslim immigration because of terrorists who claim to be Muslim is saying anything whatsoever about Muslims?

 

[Blue_Max]

So you don't think that banning all Muslim immigration because of terrorists who claim to be Muslim is saying anything whatsoever about Muslims?

Stop and think to yourself...
What if...
What if the basic tenets of a nation's ideology (larger than merely a "religion") were totally incompatible with yours.
What if that ideology saw your own people as "inferior" and demanded their subjugation?
What if every other nation that allowed said ideoloists in faced that subjugation and the constant strife that comes with it?
...would you take pause? Would you give very serious consideration to allowing that ideology a strong foothold in your country?

Now pick up a quran and read what it has to say about kafirs like you and I. Decide for yourself instead of following the demands of your progressive pack leaders.