Trump wants to privatize the FAA

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edcoolio

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Canada, Britain, Germany, France, Australia, New Zealand, among others, have managed it. Mind you as we're discussing the US I guess we do have to take into consideration that wonderful American combination of ineptitude & greed that seems to come into play so often.

This all came up in the United States in 2005, and was shot down (no pun intended).

By definition, it is difficult to compare countries that use the American military / nuclear umbrella for protection as a point of comparison. Simply put, it is a different situation that has nothing to do with running a bureaucracy efficiently.

The biggest, toughest, richest guy on the block will always get the greatest target painted on his back.. so watch your back.
 

flexy

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Control of US airspace is the domain of the Air Force is it not?

Management and "control" of CIVILIAN air traffic (aka: that you can fly from ORD to LAX without colliding with another airliner, for example), building and certification of airports, investigating air crashes etc, is NOT the job of the AIR FORCE. Their job is is "military control" aka "defending".
 
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This all came up in the United States in 2005, and was shot down (no pun intended).

By definition, it is difficult to compare countries that use the American military / nuclear umbrella for protection as a point of comparison. Simply put, it is a different situation that has nothing to do with running a bureaucracy efficiently.

The biggest, toughest, richest guy on the block will always get the greatest target painted on his back.. so watch your back.

Ok, ok, ok, apparently you believe that America is incapable of figuring out how to adapt to the modern world. <shrug>
 

edcoolio

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Ok, ok, ok, apparently you believe that America is incapable of figuring out how to adapt to the modern world. <shrug>

I'm sorry, but that makes no sense whatsoever.

I was very clear: you are discussing secondary, smaller, less powerful nations that are under the protection of larger, more powerful nations as examples.

Regardless of how they run their systems, the United States, China, and Russia have different responsibilities and priorities than say, New Zealand or Britain.
 

UglyCasanova

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I'm sorry, but that makes no sense whatsoever.

I was very clear: you are discussing secondary, smaller, less powerful nations that are under the protection of larger, more powerful nations as examples.

Regardless of how they run their systems, the United States, China, and Russia have different responsibilities and priorities than say, New Zealand or Britain.


Same arguement people are making for healthcare, single payer works in smaller places but the us is just too big. If those countries can figure it out, so can we.
 

ch33zw1z

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The FAA, IMO, should not be privatized. I'm not surprised that a corporate lackey like Trump would push it though.
 
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I'm sorry, but that makes no sense whatsoever.

I was very clear: you are discussing secondary, smaller, less powerful nations that are under the protection of larger, more powerful nations as examples.

Regardless of how they run their systems, the United States, China, and Russia have different responsibilities and priorities than say, New Zealand or Britain.

I already said that I get it. You don't believe that the US is capable of figuring out solutions for this kind of complex problem. Fair enough. Personally, I think that the US is still capable of figuring shit out when/if it actually wants to but I'm something of an optimist.
 
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edcoolio

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Same arguement people are making for healthcare, single payer works in smaller places but the us is just too big. If those countries can figure it out, so can we.

I see where you are coming from, but that is not the comparison I was trying to make.

It is more a military and shared alliance issue. For example, before the Ogdensburg Agreement, Canada relied on Great Britain for defense. Now, Canada relies on the USA.

On paper, it is a joint military defense body. The reality, of course, is much different. Canada is far to weak and sparsely populated while adhering to immense territorial claims. Simply put, like the other countries on the list, they cannot defend themselves against the larger powers.

They realize they require protection but cannot physically produce and/or afford the military necessary. The United States "should" realize that their responsibility to a current treaty should be upheld. Keeping airspace under complete federal control is part of this responsibility.

Frankly, weaker and smaller powers have fewer responsibilities than larger powers.

This also is my criticism of President Trump regarding NATO. Just because the other guy is not hold up to his end of the bargain doesn't automatically mean you don't hold up yours.
 
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I see where you are coming from, but that is not the comparison I was trying to make.

It is more a military and shared alliance issue. For example, before the Ogdensburg Agreement, Canada relied on Great Britain for defense. Now, Canada relies on the USA.

On paper, it is a joint military defense body. The reality, of course, is much different. Canada is far to weak and sparsely populated while adhering to immense territorial claims. Simply put, like the other countries on the list, they cannot defend themselves against the larger powers.

They realize they require protection but cannot physically produce and/or afford the military necessary. The United States "should" realize that their responsibility to a current treaty should be upheld. Keeping airspace under complete federal control is part of this responsibility.

Frankly, weaker and smaller powers have fewer responsibilities than larger powers.

This also is my criticism of President Trump regarding NATO. Just because the other guy is not hold up to his end of the bargain doesn't automatically mean you don't hold up yours.

Where in these regulations/policies does it show the FAA having some kind involvement in a military defense role that it could not still fulfill if, for example, the US went to a system similar to the Canadian one.

https://www.faa.gov/regulations_policies/
 

Puffnstuff

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Gentlemen just think about his proposition for a minute. What if the airlines were the winning bidders for control over air traffic control duties. Would you feel comfortable if American Airlines also controlled air traffic. You could get your ass whipped at the airport lounge instead of having to wait until you board an overloaded flight to be drug off against your will. Really though I'm sure that Trump would ensure that one of his rich friends gained control over the program and then the government couldn't regulate the costs associated with running it.
 

brycejones

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Welcome to the new FAA expedited route pass. Expedited routes available for "corporate" jet to speed your travels and get your closer to your destination. Don't let those pesky commercial airlines hog all the good landing slots at the best airports. The poors on those planes can wait a bit. Your time is actually valuable.
 

UglyCasanova

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Explain to me how capitalism will save the FAA, and why it needs to be saved.


Capitalism drives innovation. It has its pitfalls but by and large we wouldn't be where we are as a nation without it. I would t be responding to you via electrons on this message board on this tablet in this air conditioned house with wifi and lights and such without it.

Why does the government need to run it?
 

ch33zw1z

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Where are we as a nation exactly?

I work at places where entire IT staffs have been outsourced and operations, system admins, developers, etc...are now foreigners on work visas.

That's an example of capitalism at work. And where innovation gets you. The difference in quality is quite notifeable.

Something as important as air space should not be left to people (read as corporations, don't forget they're people), that have nothing else to do but make money off it.
 
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