Trump wins Iowa - is anyone surprised?

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Tsinni Dave

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Last night at a rally Trump was suggesting that the Joe Biden is given cocaine before his speeches to energize him. Meanwhile from his "victory" speech in Iowa...
 

K1052

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I'd totally believe that Trump takes adderall to keep his energy up.
 

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Went looking for the quote I half-remembered, and eventually found it on wikipedia - apparently I heard the sanitised version.

Like most vice presidents in this era, Garner had little to do and little influence on the president's policies. He famously described the vice presidency as being "not worth a bucket of warm piss" (for many years, this quote was bowdlerized as "warm spit".)

Also found lots of other VP-related quotes...

I would a great deal rather be anything, say professor of history, than vice president.
Theodore Roosevelt


The President has only 190 million bosses. The Vice President has 190 million and one.
Hubert H. Humphrey


In America, any boy can grow up to become president. Or, if he never grows up, vice president.
Pat Paulsen

Vice president: A spare tire on the automobile of government.
John Nance Garner

Once there were two brothers. One ran away to sea; the other was elected vice president of the United States. And nothing was heard of either of them again.
Thomas R. Marshall

I spent several years in a north Vietnamese prison camp in the dark, fed with scraps. Do you think I want to do that all over again as vice president of the United States?
John McCain

The man with the best job in the country is the vice-president. All he has to do is get up every morning and say, 'How is the president?'
Will Rogers

And...

It's easy being vice president - you don't have to do anything.
Joe Biden
 
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nakedfrog

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718,000 registered repugs in Iowa.

102,000 voted. Pathetic! Pardon me while I laugh along with the *sad trombone* I expected him to do far better, what a loser. Who just won Iowa? Joe Biden.

Like I've been saying, Team Treason is cooked as long as they stay with the criminal and Russian asset. Abortion rights and the threat to the Constitution just add to it. Joe Biden is going to curb stomp Traitor Trump in November. Will make the beat down of 2020 look tame by comparison. The rational side of America isn't interested in the GQP destroying the economy again, or letting Trump empower religious extremists while selling secrets to our adversaries.

Unless SCOTUS plays calvinball to save him, only thing Trump is going to win is a prison sentence.



And he smells like shit and failure.
That hot dog has been on the rollers too long.
 

manly

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I think it's just Harris's persona and entire demeanor. I mean watch a clip of her talking vs say Hillary Clinton.

Clinton sounds stern, serious, thoughtful (like her or not).

Most of what I've seen from Harris is sort of a gigglish, almost girl-ish quality to it, which for better or worse just doesn't really inspire confidence.

Now if it was her vs just about any DIY Pub candidate I would vote for her, but I can see a lot of people sitting it out just because she comes off as dislikable (The president I *wouldn't* want to have a beer with effect).
Demeanor aside, Hillary was also quite unpopular as a nationally prominent politician (esp. when you consider how much people love Bill). It's partly why she lost in 2016, and I'd argue partly why Bernie got so many pledged delegates vs. the Party's anointed one. Of course sexism has a lot to do with this, but we're not really talking about closed minded GOP voters.

Kamala Harris was unpopular well before she became VP, and whether that's sexism and racism, it's part of the election calculus that Joe Biden faces due to his age. Let's not fucking kid ourselves, Kamala was a distant 5th in the Democratic field in the 2020 primaries? @MrSquished likes to accuse his fellow Democrats of being clueless elitists, and this sure feels like it if you can't concede that voters just don't like Kamala much overall. I'm not talking about whether they have reasons because at the end of the day, the reasons don't fucking matter. To say that she's just like any other marginalized VP is clueless because at least half of America is scared of her becoming POTUS. In a hypothetical Presidential general election vs DJT, Kamala would get spanked and outright lose the popular vote. That's just how the electorate feels about her, so fuck the logic of her adequate job performance.

Feelings aside, there are some who question her tenure as Cailfornia AG for choosing overcrowded prisons over criminal justice reform (see Wikipedia). For her tough-on-crime positions, her favorability numbers with African American voters are relatively poor considering she is proudly AA herself.
 

MrSquished

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Demeanor aside, Hillary was also quite unpopular as a nationally prominent politician (esp. when you consider how much people love Bill). It's partly why she lost in 2016, and I'd argue partly why Bernie got so many pledged delegates vs. the Party's anointed one. Of course sexism has a lot to do with this, but we're not really talking about closed minded GOP voters.

Kamala Harris was unpopular well before she became VP, and whether that's sexism and racism, it's part of the election calculus that Joe Biden faces due to his age. Let's not fucking kid ourselves, Kamala was a distant 5th in the Democratic field in the 2020 primaries? @MrSquished likes to accuse his fellow Democrats of being clueless elitists, and this sure feels like it if you can't concede that voters just don't like Kamala much overall. I'm not talking about whether they have reasons because at the end of the day, the reasons don't fucking matter. To say that she's just like any other marginalized VP is clueless because at least half of America is scared of her becoming POTUS. In a hypothetical Presidential general election vs DJT, Kamala would get spanked and outright lose the popular vote. That's just how the electorate feels about her, so fuck the logic of her adequate job performance.

Feelings aside, there are some who question her tenure as Cailfornia AG for choosing overcrowded prisons over criminal justice reform (see Wikipedia). For her tough-on-crime positions, her favorability numbers with African American voters are relatively poor considering she is proudly AA herself.
I do think some Democrats are clueless, especially limousine and latte liberals, but certainly not all, just to clarify - But in general there is a chunk of Dems who rely too much on rational reality as a driver of how people vote, and simply don't understand the power of people feelings which are partly driven by messaging. I know many Dems more cognizant of what is going on, some of who are on this forum of course.
 
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MtnMan

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Trump is the de facto "incumbent".... and he got only 51% of the vote, and the right-wing nuts are crowing about how he destroyed the other candidates.

If Biden were in a primary and garnered only 51% of the vote, can you imagine how the right-wing nuts would play that?
 

manly

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Has a President ever dumped his VP in the lead up to an 2nd term?
FDR had 3 different Veeps:

Although not the incumbent, GQP front runner Trump is expected to choose a different running mate. We can only hope he chooses someone as solid as Rafael Ted Cruz (unfortunately Cruz isn't a natural born citizen, so Bobo?).
 
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Pens1566

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FDR had 3 different Veeps:

Although not the incumbent, GQP front runner Trump is expected to choose a different running mate. We can only hope he chooses someone as solid as Rafael Ted Cruz (unfortunately Cruz isn't a natural born citizen, so Bobo?).

Barring something unforeseen, I think his VP is gonna be either Stefanik or Noem.
 

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I think it's just Harris's persona and entire demeanor. I mean watch a clip of her talking vs say Hillary Clinton.

Clinton sounds stern, serious, thoughtful (like her or not).

Most of what I've seen from Harris is sort of a gigglish, almost girl-ish quality to it, which for better or worse just doesn't really inspire confidence.

Now if it was her vs just about any DIY Pub candidate I would vote for her, but I can see a lot of people sitting it out just because she comes off as dislikable (The president I *wouldn't* want to have a beer with effect).

Yeah, I don't know at all, I have very little sense of who she is, hence have no idea why she seems to be generally considered not at all a viable candidate for President (maybe it's her, or maybe it's sexism and racism, or maybe something else?).

I just find it a mite frustrating that the Democrats seem to have ended up in a position where there's no absolutely other option but to stick with Biden, despite his age (when it would surely be far better if there were someone of Harris's generation, if not the woman herself, available as an obvious alternative).

Not least because of the disaster it would be if he has some major health crisis before the election. That's without having any strong opinion about Biden's own political merits (not much point in that as probably no candidate I found politically acceptable would be remotely electable in the US - Sanders is my idea of a moderate centrist compromise candidate).

It feels as if there's been a lack of forward-planning somewhere along the line, or something has gone wrong somewhere.
 

kage69

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Last night at a rally Trump was suggesting that the Joe Biden is given cocaine before his speeches to energize him. Meanwhile from his "victory" speech in Iowa...

Trump is definitely a user of something. His love of stimulants is the reason he hasn't been able to control his bowels for years, why he is always disgusting people with his foul body odor. Remember in 2020 when he gave a speech and had a white substance fall out of his nose on camera? Pepperidge Farm remembers...

I do hope the stress of running for office/staying out of prison causes him to consume more of his powders. The best thing he can do for his country at this point is to make whatever he has instead of a heart pop like a zit. Rotting in a hole somewhere in the Rockies is still preferable though, and he'd be going through withdrawal too. No adderall lines, no makeup, no brand name diapers, no two scoops, no concierge service to open his mini soft drinks and serve him steak bricks and ketchup...

And people think he looks like shit now. Haha
 

kage69

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Pretty sure he won the Presidential election in 2016.
As such, you really overestimate American voters. They've been committing seppuku since at least the Reagan revolution.

Meh. It would have been a win if he hadn't required Russian interference/money, or James Comey putting his finger on the scale. Trump didn't win in 2016 so much as America lost (as the following 4 years went on to prove).
 

kage69

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FDR had 3 different Veeps:

Although not the incumbent, GQP front runner Trump is expected to choose a different running mate. We can only hope he chooses someone as solid as Rafael Ted Cruz (unfortunately Cruz isn't a natural born citizen, so Bobo?).

Yup, and FDR didn't try to get any of them killed either.

My guess is Stefanik now. She might not have the religious fervor of some other magats, but she currently leads the pack in terms of groveling subservience to Trump and that's what he values most. Needs to be a woman given the hole they've dug themselves over Roe v Wade (won't work) but if she's white it shouldn't irritate his many white supremacist supporters. Much. And, right on cue, Trump is now referring to Nikki as Nimrata.

Two horribly corrupt and dishonest posers that deserve eachother IMO. I hope the fascist bitch goes down with his ship, at the very least has her sleazy career limited to NY.
 

fskimospy

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Yup, and FDR didn't try to get any of them killed either.

My guess is Stefanik now. She might not have the religious fervor of some other magats, but she currently leads the pack in terms of groveling subservience to Trump and that's what he values most. Needs to be a woman given the hole they've dug themselves over Roe v Wade (won't work) but if she's white it shouldn't irritate his many white supremacist supporters. Much.

Two horribly corrupt and dishonest posers that deserve eachother IMO. I hope the fascist bitch goes down with his ship, at the very least has her sleazy career limited to NY.
This makes sense if he’s going to go all in on the base mobilization strategy, despite that very clearly not working last time.

Then again ‘not being able to win’ has not proven to be as much of a downside as I thought it would be so what do I know.
 

K1052

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This makes sense if he’s going to go all in on the base mobilization strategy, despite that very clearly not working last time.

Then again ‘not being able to win’ has not proven to be as much of a downside as I thought it would be so what do I know.

The man is still talking about "repeal and replace" despite what happened with that politically. So no, overall I would not say there is a lot of learning happening in there.
 
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K1052

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I wonder if Haley puts a hiccup in Trump in New Hampshire.

I doubt it but Trump is going to carpet bomb her anyway.

Press is definitely going to cover a Trump win in NH that is narrower than Biden's win when he is write in as proof of Trump's electoral robustness lol.
 

Zorba

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He was saying that before the 2020 election too, he definitely will not leave willingly at the end of his term if he gets elected again.


I've been seeing this a lot from right wing posters/commenters, they never say why it matters they just keep spouting "We're not a democracy we're a constitutional republic." Not too surprising to see him repeating the same talking point, also not surprising he can't really articulate why it matters.
They are so wrapped up in their identity, that's why they care. Republican has the route of "Republic" and Democrat has the root of "Democracy." So by claiming we're a republic they make themselves feel better about being a Republican. They also use it to justify their many anti-democratic policies.
 

GodisanAtheist

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Aren't all Republics Democracies? Its like the square/rectangle thing right?

All republics are democracies but not all democracies are republics. The defining feature of a republic are representatives that are democratically elected to govern (as opposed to say a direct democracy where citizens are the representatives).
 

fskimospy

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Aren't all Republics Democracies? Its like the square/rectangle thing right?

All republics are democracies but not all democracies are republics. The defining feature of a republic are representatives that are democratically elected to govern (as opposed to say a direct democracy where citizens are the representatives).
The entire thing is stupid people trying to sound smart.
 
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manly

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Barring something unforeseen, I think his VP is gonna be either Stefanik or Noem.
Left to his own devices, Trump would want a pretty younger woman around him. Like his hiring Alina Habba to rep his massive legal cases, even though she's a third rate lawyer who just happened to join his Bedminster golf club haha. He has a certain type he likes to keep close by: Hope Hicks, Kayleigh McEnany, Cassidy Hutchins, etc.

One of his campaign advisors would have to talk him into a middle-aged politico like Stefanik or Noem, and I'm not sure if they'd move the needle with swing voters. They could seem kindler and gentler and that might pull in some suburban moms.
 

Pens1566

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Left to his own devices, Trump would want a pretty younger woman around him. Like his hiring Alina Habba to rep his massive legal cases, even though she's a third rate lawyer who just happened to join his Bedminster golf club haha. He has a certain type he likes to keep close by: Hope Hicks, Kayleigh McEnany, Cassidy Hutchins, etc.

One of his campaign advisors would have to talk him into a middle-aged politico like Stefanik or Noem, and I'm not sure if they'd move the needle with swing voters. They could seem kindler and gentler and that might pull in some suburban moms.

A female does pander to that demographic, so it's politically advantageous. I don't see anyone in the "Emily Ratajkowski" mold that's wanting/willing to be on the ticket. Noem is about as good as it'll get with limited baggage. Stefanik is more of a suckup, and more of a washington insider. He doesn't need any help in the Dakotas, so Noem doesn't really do anything there.

Or he could go full on weapons grade stupidity and pick Boebert. But again, she's not bringing any EC votes with her.
 
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