Trumpcare CBO Report: 22 million to loose healthcare by 2026

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zinfamous

No Lifer
Jul 12, 2006
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Using Obama as the scapegoat is just their latest tactic, before that it was demonizing liberals for decades. It really doesn't matter who is in power on the Democrat side, they'll rally the troops against them to continue to push their agenda which is a country with no taxes. Collective action issues are only supported if it involves the military.

agreed, but Obama's presidency is fundamentally different. The Dubya admin didn't set about systematically dismantling everything that Clinton did simply because he was a democrat--in fact, much of Clinton's Reagan-lite deregulation was the GOP wet dream for decades, and so they loved it, until things predictably went bad and they started blaming Dems again (all the while doubling down on doing the same exact shit).

With Trump, it is really quite simple: erase Obama from the record books as if he never existed, as if he is Nefertiti. If possible, that round toadstool would be out chiseling away faces if there were any Obama statues anywhere. You can take that to the _poorhouse_. The only policy that these useless thieves in power have is to undo Obama, regardless of consequence. Their moronic supporters are only too happy to oblige.
 

First

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http://www.politico.com/story/2017/06/27/republicans-key-repeal-vote-delay-240010

Republicans delay Obamacare repeal vote until after recess
The bill lacked sufficient support to even begin debate amid resistance from moderate and conservative Republicans.

By JENNIFER HABERKORN and BURGESS EVERETT

06/27/2017 01:12 PM EDT

Updated 06/27/2017 01:52 PM EDT

Update, 1:52 p.m.:
Senate Republicans have delayed their plans to vote on repealing Obamacare this week, GOP senators said on Tuesday.

The bill lacks sufficient support to even begin debate amid resistance from moderate and conservative Republicans.

lol
 

IronWing

No Lifer
Jul 20, 2001
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In essence, what the Repubs are actually trying to do is to create an illusion, to create the mere appearance of giving the nation a replacement for the ACA while in fact all they're doing is turning the clock back to the ways things were before the ACA was ever enacted.
It's worse than that. They are gutting Medicaid to levels lower than before the expansion. Party like it's 1899!
 

1sikbITCH

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Jan 3, 2001
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I haven't kept up with it, what are some of the main pushbacks from the industry?
They want to get rid of the Obamacare mandate that everyone MUST purchase health insurance, but keep the provisions that insurers cannot deny preexisting conditions.

So, now you don't have to pay for insurance unless you get sick, and they have to sell it to you regardless of how sick you are.

Nobody is going to just shell out monthly premiums if they are not sick and so as less healthy people pay, the premiums skyrocket, and even more people drop out.

They are calling it the death spiral.
 
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The part I haven't seen anyone talk about in all of this is the fact that Health Care has been adding jobs like crazy thanks to the ACA. These aren't your minimum wage paper hat jobs we are talking about. This POS bill needs to die.
 

brycejones

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The part I haven't seen anyone talk about in all of this is the fact that Health Care has been adding jobs like crazy thanks to the ACA. These aren't your minimum wage paper hat jobs we are talking about. This POS bill needs to die.

Honestly I think that is a problem due to the ACA. Adding people who will deliver actual care is a great thing but we don't need to add more overhead to the system. However one area that has exploded and it will ultimately be a good thing is the healthcare it sector. Ultimately having more data that follows a patient should result in better more effective care regardless of the payment model.
 

Chromagnus

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Honestly I think that is a problem due to the ACA. Adding people who will deliver actual care is a great thing but we don't need to add more overhead to the system. However one area that has exploded and it will ultimately be a good thing is the healthcare it sector. Ultimately having more data that follows a patient should result in better more effective care regardless of the payment model.

There has definitely been some interesting developments on this front so far this year. There hasn't been a decrease in the amount of money being invested in healthcare IT companies but the number of new companies being invested in has dropped a lot. Basically investors are pouring money into startups they've already invested in so they can survive the turbulence in the market and new startups are being cut off.

It definitely still seems like a big growth area going forward but it looks like it's going to be slowing down overall progress until the healthcare market settles down a bit.
 

overst33r

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Less people
smaller risk pool
higher prices
more people can't afford
GOTO 1.

They want to get rid of the Obamacare mandate that everyone MUST purchase health insurance, but keep the provisions that insurers cannot deny preexisting conditions.

So, now you don't have to pay for insurance unless you get sick, and they have to sell it to you regardless of how sick you are.

Nobody is going to just shell out monthly premiums if they are not sick and so as less healthy people pay, the premiums skyrocket, and even more people drop out.

They are calling it the death spiral.

https://cooper.house.gov/groups-opposing-republican-health-plan

This list comes from a democratic congressman but it's one of the most complete ones I can quickly find. This is specifically is related to the AHCA but most of the objections are the same with this bill.

Thanks. Was not aware the senate added the provisions that insurers cannot deny preexisting conditions, iirc the house bill theoretically could deny based on preexisting conditions.
 

Engineer

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Oct 9, 1999
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Its a tax cut bill disguised as healthcare. Republicans don't really care about healthcare. They made a dumbed down promise to repeal Obamacare and the rubes fell for it. Republicans had no interest in healthcare until Obama got into office.

Their only goal in life is to undo everything Obama accomplished.

Wealthcare!
 
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Thump553

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Honestly I think that is a problem due to the ACA. Adding people who will deliver actual care is a great thing but we don't need to add more overhead to the system. However one area that has exploded and it will ultimately be a good thing is the healthcare it sector. Ultimately having more data that follows a patient should result in better more effective care regardless of the payment model.

I've talked to quite a number of people in the healthcare industry, and since the election ALL have said new projects are stopped, hiring frozen, layoffs on the horizon, etc. Not a single one has said their employer or sector is still growing.
 

zinfamous

No Lifer
Jul 12, 2006
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They want to get rid of the Obamacare mandate that everyone MUST purchase health insurance, but keep the provisions that insurers cannot deny preexisting conditions.

So, now you don't have to pay for insurance unless you get sick, and they have to sell it to you regardless of how sick you are.

Nobody is going to just shell out monthly premiums if they are not sick and so as less healthy people pay, the premiums skyrocket, and even more people drop out.

They are calling it the death spiral.

ah, so the infamous death spiral is finally a real thing? THANKS TRUMP!
 
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Sunburn74

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In essence, what the Repubs are actually trying to do is to create an illusion, to create the mere appearance of giving the nation a replacement for the ACA while in fact all they're doing is turning the clock back to the ways things were before the ACA was ever enacted.

The repeal is real. The replacement is nothing but smoke and mirrors, and that's something the Repubs are so practiced and adept with from persistently attempting to dismantle the foundations of the gov't for, of and by the people and replacing it with this weird marriage between a theocratic (in order to pacify the masses) and oligarchic form of gov't (in order to give the aristocrat class the power of complete governance over said masses).
There has never been any interest on the GOP side of giving everyone healthcare. It's a matter of policy.
If healthcare is a right, then everyone should get it and the government should be heavily managing its distribution.
If healthcare is a privilege, then not everyone gets it and the government should have little to do with its distribution.

All you have to do is ask which side the GOP is on to understand their policies. Its a shame that people couldn't figure this out before Nov 2016.
 

zinfamous

No Lifer
Jul 12, 2006
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There has never been any interest on the GOP side of giving everyone healthcare. It's a matter of policy.
If healthcare is a right, then everyone should get it and the government should be heavily managing its distribution.
If healthcare is a privilege, then not everyone gets it and the government should have little to do with its distribution.

All you have to do is ask which side the GOP is on to understand their policies. Its a shame that people couldn't figure this out before Nov 2016.

yes, but Trump promised to give everyone healthcare, and do it better than Obama. He is, by election standards, the leader of the GOP and the one who sets GOP policy going forward. That is his job as the current leader of the party, as POTUS. Yes, he is a clear rejection of the long-held core beliefs of that party, but is it not fair to say that enough people supported him because of exactly that--a rejection of many of those policies?

So, are we to assume that Trump was lying, then? well, damn.
 
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Jhhnn

IN MEMORIAM
Nov 11, 1999
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yes, but Trump promised to give everyone healthcare, and do it better than Obama. He is, by election standards, the leader of the GOP and the one who sets GOP policy going forward. That is his job as the current leader of the party, as POTUS. Yes, he is a clear rejection of the long-held core beliefs of that party, but is it not fair to say that enough people supported him because of exactly that--a rejection of many of those policies?

So, are we to assume that Trump was lying, then? well, damn.

It's easy to carry it off with the Repub base. They've believed in lies for decades.
 

trenchfoot

Lifer
Aug 5, 2000
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It's easy to carry it off with the Repub base. They've believed in lies for decades.


When the GOP's legislative body is of, for and by the very wealthy, lies are the one and only thing they can offer to their base. It's the coin of their realm. Well, that and those grandiose promises that are meant to cajole and beguile, but never meant to be kept.

This particular version of fool's gold that the GOP is selling to their base sells so well it's rather frightening to behold.
 
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