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dank69

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Only problem is they'll end up looking like this from "Fletch" w/Chevy Chase.
Not the best image but he had to escape some Klna guys and disguised himself with a cut up bed sheet, his outfit was all messed up looking.

That's from Fletch 2
 

OverVolt

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Really not getting the whole Trump campaign falling apart message.

I don't have cable so...

Just seems like a bunch of Clinton campaign rhetoric you guys are falling for.

Trump isn't much of a brand. He basically just owns a bunch of real estate in NYC. Real estate is rather stable, you'd basically have to be dead to be unable to turn a profit if you outright own NYC real estate, which he does, and alot of it.

Any losses he claimed were probably for the carried interest tax loophole.
 

OverVolt

Lifer
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Again.... watching the Sunday morning news shows on the three major networks, it was quite clear that Trump spokespersons are all melting down right before our eyes.
Kelly Conway, and I could not believe this, Kelly is now blaming the surrogates of Hillary for the downfall of Donald Trump.

Kelly Conway: "Hillary has her husband and an former US president out there speaking for Hillary. Hillary has the current president out there. Hillary has the first lady out there. Hillary has Joe Biden out there."
Whine whine whine.... Boo hoo hoo...
Queue the violin music.

It's not fair, Kelly Conway might well say, it's not fair that more people like Hillary Clinton than like Donald Trump.
We need to take all the people, and divide them all up into half, 50/50, and then assign Clinton one half and Trump the other half.
50/50.

Gawd....
I just can't imagine the extent of child-like behavior coming out of the Whitehouse should Trump actually become president.
And all that whining...
Remember Jimmy Carter's Whitehouse whining?
And president Carter's whining actually had some merit.
Donald Trump whines for weeks over a simple tweet.

And I do feel sorry for Kelly Conway.
After Trump loses, all the blame will fall on Kelly Conway.
I cannot imagine, and Kelly has not a clue of the nightmare in store for her from the wrath of Donald Trump.
I can see it all now....
Kelly Conway, after the election, sitting in some padded room, drooling at the mouth mumbling to herself, "Did we win? Did we win? Did we win? Can I go home now Mr Trump? Did we win? Can I go now?"
Yea all those Donald Trump Pundits on CNN and MSNBC.

But what do I care you are drugged out of your mind anyway.
 

OverVolt

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I guess no one saw this one coming, did they ?

'Trump TV' Launches Its Pilot With Pitch To His Base

http://www.npr.org/2016/10/24/499229641/trump-tv-launches-its-pilot-with-pitch-to-his-base
I happen to like NPR and I think you're jumping to conclusions. The article is very matter of fact and as-is, which is typical of NPR. There isn't a whole lot to read into there unless you just reflexively don't trust the Trump campaign which its pretty clear you don't trust them.
 

sportage

Lifer
Feb 1, 2008
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Speaking of Trump collapsing....
Anyone else seen the new movie DENIAL (2016) ?
The true story, the court case of holocaust denier David Irving.
Note the many similarities between this guy David Irving (holocaust denier) and Donald Trump?
David Irving (holocaust denier) lost his case in court.
Yet just like Donald Trump, frankly... exactly like Donald Trump, David Irving (holocaust denier) spun his loss as an actual win in the media after clearly losing his case.
Despite a court ruling consisting of some 300+ pages, David Irving (holocaust denier) still claimed, spun, and insisted his loss as a win.
Sound familiar?

Won't go into details about the film, and I doubt many take the time to go see it or really care to see it, but still if you should see this film you can't help but catch the similarities throughout the film between David Irving (holocaust denier) and Donald Trump.
Not only the similarity in personality, but the similarity with the crowds David Irving attracted.
So so many obvious similarities to be had here.
But judge for yourself. Go see the film if you can or care to, And learn.
 

MongGrel

Lifer
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I happen to like NPR and I think you're jumping to conclusions. The article is very matter of fact and as-is, which is typical of NPR. There isn't a whole lot to read into there unless you just reflexively don't trust the Trump campaign which its pretty clear you don't trust them.

Where am I jumping to conclusions ?

I copy and pasted the title straight from NPR.
 

ivwshane

Lifer
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Really not getting the whole Trump campaign falling apart message.

I don't have cable so...

Just seems like a bunch of Clinton campaign rhetoric you guys are falling for.

Trump isn't much of a brand. He basically just owns a bunch of real estate in NYC. Real estate is rather stable, you'd basically have to be dead to be unable to turn a profit if you outright own NYC real estate, which he does, and alot of it.

Any losses he claimed were probably for the carried interest tax loophole.

Trump isn't much of a brand? That's all it is!
 

DrDoug

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I guess no one saw this one coming, did they ?

'Trump TV' Launches Its Pilot With Pitch To His Base

http://www.npr.org/2016/10/24/499229641/trump-tv-launches-its-pilot-with-pitch-to-his-base

One thing that the Republican party has proven beyond all doubt over the last couple of decades is that there are a lot of conservatives who can be willingly parted from their money. They learned years ago that all it takes is the 'right' sales pitch. The fact that Republican got away with it for decades shows that conservatives supporters are reluctant or slow to stop and/or react to being screwed over.

I think Trump, who has made his money by taking it from those who have less than him via various 'business arrangements', realized that conservative voters are a flock of golden geese and he wants their golden eggs. It turned out that all he had to do was swoop in during the primary and promise conservative voters what the Republican party had not delivered to them over the decades would be theirs if they would vote for him. Trump is reaching the end of the road for this election and the same probably applies to some of his current business ventures in the aftermath of his scorched-earth campaign.

It's time for his next scam. Golden goose eggs...
 
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OverVolt

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The hosts denied that this was some type of "Trump TV," a rumored endeavor from the GOP nominee if he loses to try to monetize his loyal base into a massive media influence akin to Fox News. As NPR media correspondent David Folkenflik has noted, such an an endeavor is easier said than done, even if Trump does have two former conservative media heads, Fox News's Roger Ailes and Breitbart's Steve Bannon, on his team. Trump's son-in-law, New York Observer owner Jared Kushner, has reportedly had discussions with investors about a possible network.

Sims said it was simply a way to motivate Trump supporters in the final two weeks, and that "it would be malpractice on our part if we didn't utilize these massive online platforms that he has." The initial live viewership was at about 60,000, but half and hour in, just half of that was left. At the end of the roughly 45-minute broadcast, they then cut live to Trump's rally in Florida.

Just don't see it. There is no point for Trump to get into Media. Actually pay attention to who says what. An NPR media correspondent saying it would be easy and a bunch of rumors is basically nothing to worry about in terms of a Trump TV network. Lots of interesting stuff, but there isn't much spin other than maybe the title. Its NPR.
 

ivwshane

Lifer
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Just don't see it. There is no point for Trump to get into Media. Actually pay attention to who says what. An NPR media correspondent saying it would be easy and a bunch of rumors is basically nothing to worry about in terms of a Trump TV network. Lots of interesting stuff, but there isn't much spin other than maybe the title. Its NPR.

Yeah I can't imagine all the people who subscribe to right wing media wanting to get more right wing media from a guy who perfectly exemplifies them. I certainly can't see a guy who's whole career has been made plastering his name all over everything and who has tried selling everything from real estate, steaks, to fake universities.

/s
 

OverVolt

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Yeah I can't imagine all the people who subscribe to right wing media wanting to get more right wing media from a guy who perfectly exemplifies them. I certainly can't see a guy who's whole career has been made plastering his name all over everything and who has tried selling everything from real estate, steaks, to fake universities.

/s
He's just bored. None of that stuff is profitable. His actual money comes from real estate and/or casinos, and if you're a made man that owns real estate, thats a pretty boring life. So he opens up dumb corporations just as something to do.
 

agent00f

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Really not getting the whole Trump campaign falling apart message.

I don't have cable so...

Just seems like a bunch of Clinton campaign rhetoric you guys are falling for.

Trump isn't much of a brand. He basically just owns a bunch of real estate in NYC. Real estate is rather stable, you'd basically have to be dead to be unable to turn a profit if you outright own NYC real estate, which he does, and alot of it.

Any losses he claimed were probably for the carried interest tax loophole.

Most of that real estate is family owned from his father. He's largely out of the development game ever since failing rather miserably at it for quite a while. His new gig since has been licensing his name, and to far more than just real estate evidently. Most of his self-evaluated net worth is that supposed brand value.

Just don't see it. There is no point for Trump to get into Media. Actually pay attention to who says what. An NPR media correspondent saying it would be easy and a bunch of rumors is basically nothing to worry about in terms of a Trump TV network. Lots of interesting stuff, but there isn't much spin other than maybe the title. Its NPR.

His other money maker and medium for exposure is the popular reality show. That's probably how much of that base are familiar with him.
 

DrDoug

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He's just bored. None of that stuff is profitable. His actual money comes from real estate and/or casinos, and if you're a made man that owns real estate, thats a pretty boring life. So he opens up dumb corporations just as something to do.

Wow, are you ever uninformed. Seriously, do you believe all of that? If so it's clear that you really don't care much about being informed.

Good luck in life with that.
 

agent00f

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Wow, are you ever uninformed. Seriously, do you believe all of that? If so it's clear that you really don't care much about being informed.

Good luck in life with that.

Not coincidentally that's the premise of the Apprentice.
 

OverVolt

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His other money maker and medium for exposure is the popular reality show. That's probably how much of that base are familiar with him.
Apparently he owned the land under the empire state building until 2002.

Basically he is a direct product of NIRP/ZIRP being a boon to his asset prices enabling him to do what he is doing. He has been on quite a buying spree from what I see.
 
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agent00f

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Apparently he owned the land under the empire state building until 2002.

I'm sure you believe this like all the other things he claims. Though in fairness he did scam his way to some money in the Empire state building deal.
 

MongGrel

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Apparently he owned the land under the empire state building until 2002.

Basically he is a direct product of NIRP/ZIRP being a boon to his asset prices enabling him to do what he is doing. He has been on quite a buying spree from what I see.

His father owned a lot of property in Manhattan, he inherited a lot of loans early in life from that or you have not been paying much attention.

I never thought the Empire State building was on of them.

Trump Casinos have basically went bankrupt on a regular basis.
 

agent00f

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Basically he is a direct product of NIRP/ZIRP being a boon to his asset prices enabling him to do what he is doing. He has been on quite a buying spree from what I see.

His father owned a lot of property in Manhattan, he inherited a lot of loans early in life from that or you have not been paying much attention.

I never thought the Empire State building was on of them.

Trump Casinos have basically went bankrupt on a regular basis.

As I understand it he basically took on a lawsuit against the building owners a la pro bono for some interest on the lease. He lost as expected but the suit made doing anything with the building difficult so he offers the owners to buy out the lease. A reputation for shit like this is why nobody in nyc wants anything to do with him, ie why he was driven out of town to jersey where failure writ even larger.
 

Thump553

Lifer
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Really not getting the whole Trump campaign falling apart message.

I don't have cable so...

Just seems like a bunch of Clinton campaign rhetoric you guys are falling for.

Trump isn't much of a brand. He basically just owns a bunch of real estate in NYC. Real estate is rather stable, you'd basically have to be dead to be unable to turn a profit if you outright own NYC real estate, which he does, and alot of it.

Any losses he claimed were probably for the carried interest tax loophole.
Trump himself has repeatedly claimed that the value of his name (ie, his brand) is the MAJOR component of his net worth. Basically since the collapse of his Atlantic City empire, multiple loan defaults and corporate bankruptcies no legit lender will deal with him anymore. So for the last decade plus his main business model has been essentially franchising his name. Another developer/group of investors licenses to use the Trump name on their project. He gets a fee/percentage of ownership/percentage of revenue as negotiated. Trump maintains the appearance of being a developer with new projects.

His current and future problems are twofold. Most of his operations, especially retail sales, are very high end. His anti-Muslim rants especially have caused the ultra rich Saudis etc to effectively boycott him. This summer there was a brief spat of news stories that foot traffic in his retail establishments was down 80-90%. He is going to have a lot of bankrupt partners/investors in the near future and the possibility of him lining up well-heeled suckers to fund his future ventures will dry up.

Personally I think he is also probably facing huge liabilities when the judgments, penalties and fines start rolling in on the Trump University litigation and Trump foundation. He plays very aggressively with his income tax deductions apparently, that could easily come back to bit him in the ass especially since he is now the poster child for billionaire tax scofflaws. That's how they got Al Capone, Trump could easily fall the same way.

Mark Cuban predicted Trump would be bankrupt in five years if he doesn't win the election. I wouldn't bet against that prediction.
 
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compuwiz1

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Trump himself has repeatedly claimed that the value of his name (ie, his brand) is the MAJOR component of his net worth. Basically since the collapse of his Atlantic City empire, multiple loan defaults and corporate bankruptcies no legit lender will deal with him anymore. So for the last decade plus his main business model has been essentially franchising his name. Another developer/group of investors licenses to use the Trump name on their project. He gets a fee/percentage of ownership/percentage of revenue as negotiated. Trump maintains the appearance of being a developer with new projects.

His current and future problems are twofold. Most of his operations, especially retail sales, are very high end. His anti-Muslim rants especially have caused the ultra rich Saudis etc to effectively boycott him. This summer there was a brief spat of news stories that foot traffic in his retail establishments was down 80-90%. He is going to have a lot of bankrupt partners/investors in the near future and the possibility of him lining up well-heeled suckers to fund his future ventures will dry up.

Personally I think he is also probably facing huge liabilities when the judgments, penalties and fines start rolling in on the Trump University litigation and Trump foundation. He plays very aggressively with his income tax deductions apparently, that could easily come back to bit him in the ass especially since he is now the poster child for billionaire tax scofflaws. That's how they got Al Capone, Trump could easily fall the same way.

Mark Cuban predicted Trump would be bankrupt in five years if he doesn't win the election. I wouldn't bet against that prediction.

Mark Cuban and Trump actually have a lot in common. Both are rich, arrogant, loud mouthed ass holes. I wouldn't put much stock in what Cuban says. Like I said, he's just another rich swinging penile unit, or feminine hygiene product container...take your pick.
 

Puffnstuff

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I was doing some searching this morning and located Trump's voter base out here in the real world.
 
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