trumps new muslim ban absolutely is 100% ILLEGAL

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dainthomas

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Provide quotes and make your case.

I would have to quote the entire interview. He was all over the place with whether it applied to green card holders or not. Then when the host asked for clarification a couple times, he got snarky and condescending.
 

Pens1566

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Well, for one, you can throw out the comparison to Obama's action in 2011. That was specific to refugees. There is law on the books preventing this kind of action against immigrants/non-immigrants. Refugees have a different status entirely.

Oh, and they're already undergoing "extreme vetting". More than anyone else that comes into this country.
 
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I would have to quote the entire interview. He was all over the place with whether it applied to green card holders or not. Then when the host asked for clarification a couple times, he got snarky and condescending.
Snarky and condescending...oh noes! lol
 

dainthomas

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Snarky and condescending...oh noes! lol

Well I thought it was funny. When asked for clarification he said "you're not giving me a chance to talk". Then the host helpfully read back his own (contradictory) statements and he got even more pissed. It was gold.

When I get home from work I can dig around and find some youtube links of it if you'd like.
 

zinfamous

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zinfamous

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Read the following.

https://obamawhitehouse.archives.go...uspension-entry-aliens-subject-united-nations

For some more background, read the following.

http://www.americanthinker.com/arti...rings_hypocritical_and_hysterical_uproar.html

It's becoming pretty clear that casket makers and funeral homes are going to thrive under a Trump presidency because the left and especially the progressive left is going to put themselves into early graves. This type of hysteria based on fake news and "feelings" isn't good for you. You're going to drive up the cost of health care for everyone before you get interred too and we can't have that.

are you even serious with this?
 

ivwshane

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Here's Giuliani talking about the muslim ban that Trump ordered him to figure out in a legal way.

On Fox news. Is Fox real enough for you?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...sion-to-do-it-legally/?utm_term=.6f838561babb

Dude and this lady seem pretty happy about it working out, too.
Muslim ban? Then it looks like he forgot to add about 48 other Muslim-majority countries. The reality here is that this isn't a Muslim ban and that the clear intent was and always has been to get better control of the process in order to prevent the possible entry of radical Islamic terrorists into this country. The Executive Order targets "countries of concern" (as previously identified by the Obama administration) which have a significant population of Muslim extremists...and these are the exact countries which the Obama administration also placed travel restrictions on a year ago. You guys are either as obtuse as hell or being intentionally dishonest. There is no Muslim ban....that's all you and your unhinged, butthurt, and highly dishonest false narrative. God forbid we reexamine the vetting process for these people! Oh noes!
 
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ivwshane

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Muslim ban? Then it looks like he forgot to add about 48 other Muslim-majority countries. The reality here is that this isn't a Muslim ban and that the clear intent was and always has been to control the possible entry of radical Islamic terrorists into this country. The Executive Order targets "countries of concern" (as previously identified by the Obama's administration) which have a significant population of Muslim extremists...and these are the exact countries which the Obama's administration also placed travel restrictions on a year ago. You guys are either as obtuse as hell or being intentionally dishonest. There is no Muslim ban....that's all you and your unhinged, butthurt, and highly dishonest false narrative. God forbid we reexamine the vetting process for these people! Oh noes!

You are wrong and I already pointed out the specific language in the EO with which it makes you wrong.
 

NesuD

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Let me help you out.

The part that has the potential to make this EO unconstitutional is the paragraph below, specifically the bolded.




What that paragraph says is that exceptions will be made for religious persecutions, nothing wrong with that, except, it goes one step further and specifies that the persecuted religions must be a minority religion of that country. Since the countries listed are predominantly Muslim, the EO does in fact ban Muslims since their religious persecution won't be an exception like other religions would be.

That is a clear violation of the constitution and existing immigration laws.

Name me a country other than the united states where the majority religion is being persecuted.
 

NesuD

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It's OK If A Republican Violates The Constitution.

(The 2nd amendment is the only one the really counts anyway)

Soon to come:

It's OK If A Republican Uses Lots of Executive Orders

It's OK If A Republican Massively Increases The Debt

It's OK If A Democrat Violates The Constitution.

(The 2nd amendment doesn't really count anyway)

Soon to come:

It's OK If A Democrat Uses Lots of Executive Orders

It's OK If A Democrat Massively Increases The Debt

Any one recognize this? Cmon think back over the past 8 years you'll get it.
 

emperus

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It's OK If A Democrat Violates The Constitution.

(The 2nd amendment doesn't really count anyway)

Soon to come:

It's OK If A Democrat Uses Lots of Executive Orders

It's OK If A Democrat Massively Increases The Debt

Any one recognize this? Cmon think back over the past 8 years you'll get it.

Me thinks you missed the point of that post.
 

blackangst1

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You are wrong and I already pointed out the specific language in the EO with which it makes you wrong.

Actually, you pointed out the definition of religious persecution under this order. For you to interpret this 7 country moratorium to mean a ban of Muslims...what happens if someone from India or Indonesia wants to come? No go because theyre Muslim? Is that your interpretation?
 

realibrad

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I keep seeing links to dispute the claim, but none of them so far actually dispute anything.

A special U.S. refugee program for Iraqis is back up and running this month after being largely suspended almost a year ago due to growing insecurity in the Arab country, POLITICO has learned.

Are you thinking that the only reason it stopped is because people left and could not do it? What do you think your article shows?
 
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