Trump's polling is getting worse and worse... what's he going to try to turn the tide this time?

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trenchfoot

Lifer
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I have a very serious allergy to that guy. My skin starts to crawl, I tense up, get nervous, my eyes bulge, my blood pressure goes up. My hands tense and clinch, I'm on edge. My hair stands up. I want to start throwing things... but I don't. I keep calm, realizing in a few seconds it will all be over. If it isn't, I fast forward. Sometimes I pause and think to myself, "what am I seeing and hearing here?" BTW, I've never watched any of his State of the Nation, or whatever those things are called (uh, yeah, Union). No way I could sit through 45 minutes of that crap.

Below is the best portrait of the orange menace that I have ever seen, I imagine. Of course, I've seen many, but this nails it:


THAT is so so so on the mark, bullseye!

Agreed, wholeheartedly so. Yet he stunned the world back in 2016. I'll never let my guard down ever again like I did back then. I've come to the conclusion that those folks who put him where he is now will gladly, passionately do it again given their ability to suppress, disenfranchise and bluff their way into winning elections.

If given the choice between electing another man child like Trump or another guy like Obama it certainly seems to me they'd pick another Trump no questions asked.

Therefore it's not up to them to keep another Trump from sitting in the White House as they'd be more than ecstatic to make it happen again, it's up to the rest of us to prevent history from repeating itself.
 

Sunburn74

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Oct 5, 2009
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I have a very serious allergy to that guy. My skin starts to crawl, I tense up, get nervous, my eyes bulge, my blood pressure goes up. My hands tense and clinch, I'm on edge. My hair stands up. I want to start throwing things... but I don't. I keep calm, realizing in a few seconds it will all be over. If it isn't, I fast forward. Sometimes I pause and think to myself, "what am I seeing and hearing here?" BTW, I've never watched any of his State of the Nation, or whatever those things are called (uh, yeah, Union). No way I could sit through 45 minutes of that crap.

Below is the best portrait of the orange menace that I have ever seen, I imagine. Of course, I've seen many, but this nails it:


THAT is so so so on the mark, bullseye!
This post sums up trump to well. It's only about him.
 

Grey_Beard

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Sep 23, 2014
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He played disruptor while in the Minority also. He needs to go.

This is why a super majority is necessary to get things corrected. The 60 vote mandate can be set without them disrupting. Once that is in place, it can help keep the guard rails on things. Remember that Senator Reed broke that to get the Obama judges through, but they kept in for confirmations. Well we have seen the damage that this has done to the courts. Then getting these government destruction appointments has added another layer to it. Get it back to what it was meant to be, not a crazy majority holding the minority hostage so they can implement the select items they want to. Having Mitch stay there while his items are dismantled and he cannot do anything about would be best, IMO. tRump and MoscowBoi can and will do much damage as “citizens.”
 

fleshconsumed

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Feb 21, 2002
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But everyone’s argument of holding everyone accountable and to make sure no future POTUS try the same thing. Is there really anyone in the world as morally and ethically corrupt as him? Let alone to attempt to run and get elected ever again? If anything it’s just going to make him a martyr and further divide a nation even more so than currently.
Oh, there are more than plenty individuals that are just as morally and ethically corrupt as Trump. And unlike Trump they're actually smart. Smart enough not to shoot themselves in the foot every day of the week. And I feel like the only thing that was stopping them was some semblance of lawful society, the notion that public will not tolerate evil deeds and that any corrupt acts will be punished. Trump dispelled that notion. It has become incredibly apparent that so long as you have at least 50% of the house and at least 35 senators you can't be impeached. Heck, so long as you hold the simple majority in house/senate you can't even be investigated. And even if you are investigated, you can't be subpoenaed.

Now that this is all clear as day, imagine what would happen if next POTUS was actually smart. He can stack the judiciary with friendly judges, stack DOJ with men loyal to him, systematically remove any career official that follows the rule of law instead, all of which Trump has done, but imagine if it was all accomplished without attracting attention to the fact. That would be the destruction of our country as we know it. How many times we've heard "moderate" republicans saying they're OK with Trump, they just wish he wouldn't tweet as much? I've heard it a lot.

So as much as I understand the desire of taking of taking an easy way out and just sweep it all under the rug under the guise of healing, long term that would be a colossal mistake.
 
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Grey_Beard

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Agreed, wholeheartedly so. Yet he stunned the world back in 2016. I'll never let my guard down ever again like I did back then. I've come to the conclusion that those folks who put him where he is now will gladly, passionately do it again given their ability to suppress, disenfranchise and bluff their way into winning elections.

If given the choice between electing another man child like Trump or another guy like Obama it certainly seems to me they'd pick another Trump no questions asked.

Therefore it's not up to them to keep another Trump from sitting in the White House as they'd be more than ecstatic to make it happen again, it's up to the rest of us to prevent history from repeating itself.

Not sure I have ever seen a photo of him so beaten down. It is amazing how that “rally” damaged his narcissistic personality disorder sociopath. Being irrelevant is truly his kryptonite. Cannot wait for him to waste away in a bit while his base moves to the next person that feeds them their raw meat.
 
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Homerboy

Lifer
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Do we have any specific polling numbers in red states that could be flipped? WI, OH, PA, etc
 

fskimospy

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This is why a super majority is necessary to get things corrected. The 60 vote mandate can be set without them disrupting. Once that is in place, it can help keep the guard rails on things. Remember that Senator Reed broke that to get the Obama judges through, but they kept in for confirmations. Well we have seen the damage that this has done to the courts. Then getting these government destruction appointments has added another layer to it. Get it back to what it was meant to be, not a crazy majority holding the minority hostage so they can implement the select items they want to. Having Mitch stay there while his items are dismantled and he cannot do anything about would be best, IMO. tRump and MoscowBoi can and will do much damage as “citizens.”

We should get it back to what it was meant to be, which is a simple majority in the Senate for all things. The Democrats don't need 60 votes for this either, and they should nuke the whole thing the first chance they get.

The filibuster is not in the Constitution and there's no indication that there was ever a plan to require a supermajority for confirmations or for passing legislation the normal way. The correct answer is to abolish the filibuster entirely.
 

Wreckem

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Do we have any specific polling numbers in red states that could be flipped? WI, OH, PA, etc

Yes. There is polling for traditional swing states and what they are now calling “new swing states”. Some states don’t have many polls though. We will see as the polling pick up, but you do have r biased polls showing Biden up.

Trump and the GOP should be worried most about there being new swing states.
 
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Grey_Beard

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We should get it back to what it was meant to be, which is a simple majority in the Senate for all things. The Democrats don't need 60 votes for this either, and they should nuke the whole thing the first chance they get.

The filibuster is not in the Constitution and there's no indication that there was ever a plan to require a supermajority for confirmations or for passing legislation the normal way. The correct answer is to abolish the filibuster entirely.

Okay, but the abuse of the majority rule lately makes me think it may not be best in the near term. I get that this is not what the Framers originally thought or put into The Constitution. The Senate needs to adapt, especially given the lack of civility and compromise, it would be good to codify this so we can circumvent future abuses of the majority process.

Edit: wording and spelling.
 

fskimospy

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Okay, but the abuse of the majority rule lately makes me think it may not be best in the near term. I get that this is not what the Framers originally thought or put into The Constitution. The a Senate needs to adapt and given the lack of civility and compromise, it would be good to codify this do we can circumvent future abuses of the majority process.

The Senate was already designed to be countermajoritarian, that's why Wyoming has as many senators as California. The problem with the filibuster is that it has become SUPER countermajoritarian.

As of right now it's theoretically possible that states representing only 11% of the US population could stop all legislation from moving forward. That's insane.
 

trenchfoot

Lifer
Aug 5, 2000
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Okay, but the abuse of the majority rule lately makes me think it may not be best in the near term. I get that this is not what the Framers originally thought or put into The Constitution. The Senate needs to adapt, especially given the lack of civility and compromise, it would be good to codify this so we can circumvent future abuses of the majority process.

Edit: wording and spelling.

For the Repubs the majority process is anathema to their existence as well as to their relevancy in the body politic. They are hellbent on finding ways to rule the nation from a minority party status as that looks to be their fate in the near future. The most obvious of late is McConnell's incessant myopic drive toward packing the courts with young conservative activists while Trump still mulls around in the WH, thus insuring their influence over the nation for another few decades to come.
 

SMOGZINN

Lifer
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Putting on my tin foil hat, I would say that Trump is going to be looking at ways to get a SCOTUS seat open so that he can campaign on the idea that a R win means they can end Roe v Wade and secure 2A rights. If one is not willing to open for him, he might just have to do something to force the issue.
 

Grey_Beard

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For the Repubs the majority process is anathema to their existence as well as to their relevancy in the body politic. They are hellbent on finding ways to rule the nation from a minority party status as that looks to be their fate in the near future. The most obvious of late is McConnell's incessant myopic drive toward packing the courts with young conservative activists while Trump still mulls around in the WH, thus insuring their influence over the nation for another few decades to come.

The courts are not set. Judges can be and have been impeached. Having the requisite numbers to impact this would be necessary to redress this. Most of these appointments were even against the Bar Assocaition ratings and recommendations. Additionally, we need to codify a new law that gets the Citizens Unity ruling overturned and all campaigns financed by the government with the exact same money on both sides.
 

cytg111

Lifer
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He's going to try and use the good old evil Socialism scheme by sending out more stimulus checks and then somehow convince his supporters that the evil Demoncrats would never do such a nice thing for them!
Problem is that where Trump is right now, if he begins blabbing about socialism to conservatives, he is gonna make socialism look good.
 
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The courts are not set. Judges can be and have been impeached. Having the requisite numbers to impact this would be necessary to redress this.
The only Federal Judges I'm aware that have been impeached and removed were for criminal actions outside the court. I'm not aware of any for other reasons, such as bad rulings. I'd prefer to see ALL of Donny's appointments reviewed with an eye towards removal, but I don't know if that's even possible.
 

SMOGZINN

Lifer
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The only Federal Judges I'm aware that have been impeached and removed were for criminal actions outside the court. I'm not aware of any for other reasons, such as bad rulings. I'd prefer to see ALL of Donny's appointments reviewed with an eye towards removal, but I don't know if that's even possible.
The first ever successful impeachment of anyone in the United States was of Judge John Pickering who was on the United States District Court for the District of New Hampshire in 1804. He was successfully impeached on two counts one of which was 'unlawful rulings' (the other was poor moral character).
 

Jhhnn

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He played disruptor while in the Minority also. He needs to go.

Any GOP successor in the Senate would play it the same way. We have to win it all. Abolish the filibuster. Enact HB1, immigration reform, police reform, tax reform, financial reform. Expand the federal judiciary & the SCOTUS. Fuck the GOP. Our problems are insoluble when they have any power at all. Shitcan their defective ideology.
 

HomerJS

Lifer
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The only Federal Judges I'm aware that have been impeached and removed were for criminal actions outside the court. I'm not aware of any for other reasons, such as bad rulings. I'd prefer to see ALL of Donny's appointments reviewed with an eye towards removal, but I don't know if that's even possible.
What is possible is to increase the number of federal judges to water down the Trump effect. We not only need to lighten the case load but have the ability to pull judges out of the system for express rulings on inter-branch squabbles. That way subpoena's don't get stalled out in the courts forever.
 
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but have the ability to pull judges out of the system for express rulings on inter-branch squabbles.
That's where you use the Senior Judges. The ones that don't carry a case load and have been on the bench longer than many of the elected critters or POTUS so there is little or no conflict of interest in who nominated them.
 

hal2kilo

Lifer
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The way the polls are going, just start watching for some struggling Repub pols to start repudiating Trump. That will be the tell.
 

Jhhnn

IN MEMORIAM
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The way the polls are going, just start watching for some struggling Repub pols to start repudiating Trump. That will be the tell.

Can't. The Base loves Trump, and no Repub other than Romney can win w/o them. It's their own fault for crazifying people for decades.
 

Wreckem

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That's where you use the Senior Judges. The ones that don't carry a case load and have been on the bench longer than many of the elected critters or POTUS so there is little or no conflict of interest in who nominated them.
A lot of the senior bench are people forced out of their regular bench because of their mental decline.
 

hal2kilo

Lifer
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Can't. The Base loves Trump, and no Repub other than Romney can win w/o them. It's their own fault for crazifying people for decades.
I guess the Republican party is nothing more than a cult then.
 
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