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Hayabusa Rider

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If you have been in a job for a year and don’t understand the very basic terms of discussion used to do that job it’s pretty reasonable to conclude that you are stupid. (Or so lazy that you should be fired)

A ‘clean bill’ is a term that’s used constantly. The idea that the president doesn’t know what that is displays frightening level of incompetence.

It is astounding I think. A surgeon who doesn't know what a suture is, an officer who does not understand the chain of command. Not knowing everything is not the problem, willful ignorance is. If someone has said that a President would not know the meaning of a term as basic as a "clean bill" would be a reality I would have bet the farm I was wrong. No one could be that ignorant and hold any political office.

"General, we need to send in the bombers". "Yeah do that, we need those torpedoes ASAP"
 
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Has Trump said he misunderstood her? If he has then that’s a good explanation.
He has said he has a great mind, is really smart and uses the best words.

*edit: msnbc has him on video saying if it’s a good bill I’ll sign it. I’m not going to ask for this or that.
I missed the beginning question but I did hear the wall used
*working from memory above is not an exact quote
Did you not watch the clip I posted? He clarified exactly what he meant ffs.
 
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Much ado about nothing imo....just more fodder for the "intellectuals" among us.

The problem Doc is it’s hard to make an agreement with someone who isn’t serious about what they say. It’s impossible to make an agreement with someone who will say anything at any moment and will not stand by earlier agreements.
 

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Lol. Now this morning he is tweeting out how terrible the FISA bill is that his administration is lobbying Congress to support.

Apparently several hours later someone informed him that he’s supposed to be in favor of it though so he followed up with a new tweet about how great the thing he was against a few hours ago is.

There is no way any rational and objective person can look at this behavior and conclude the president is mentally well.
 
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Hayabusa Rider

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Much ado about nothing imo....just more fodder for the "intellectuals" among us.

To be fair, I wouldn't expect someone with the comprehension of a lazy 4th grader to know the term, but I would expect those who have some idea of how important the Office is would take this fantastic level of incredible ignorance of the basics needed to communicate seriously.

But Trump is not just smart, a Joe Intellectual, he's a genius... and a VERY stable genius at that!

Yes, gross incompetence is something to have much ado about.
 
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The problem Doc is it’s hard to make an agreement with someone who isn’t serious about what they say. It’s impossible to make an agreement with someone who will say anything at any moment and will not stand by earlier agreements.
To me, he came across as genuinely wanting to make a deal and a willingness to compromise to get it done. But, if you say he's not being serious...then I'm sure it must be true in some alternate universe. It's not like you're really biased or anything.
 
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Did you not watch the clip I posted? He clarified exactly what he meant ffs.

He clarified what he wants, he did not say I misunderstood what a clean bill means or I misunderstood what was asked in yesterday’s meeting.
Goes back to my last post it’s impossible to take someone like this seriously when their goals can change in an instant
 
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To be fair, I wouldn't expect someone with the comprehension of a lazy 4th grader to know the term, but I would expect those who have some idea of how important the Office is would take this fantastic level of incredible ignorance of the basics needed to communicate seriously.

But Trump is not just smart, a Joe Intellectual, he's a genius... and a VERY stable genius at that!

Yes, gross incompetence is something to have much ado about.
A misunderstanding of what Feinstein meant is now considered "gross incompetence" in your world? Got it.
 

Hayabusa Rider

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Lol. Now this morning he is tweeting out how terrible the FISA bill is that his administration is lobbying Congress to support.

Apparently several hours later someone informed him that he’s supposed to be in favor of it though so he followed up with a new tweet about how great the thing he was against a few hours ago is.

There is no way any rational and objective person can look at this behavior and conclude the president is mentally well.

At this point I understand that Trump is wholly unsuited for reality, nevermind the Office, but the fact that apparently sane people support and defend him regardless, makes me think we're near the Great Filter which we will apply to ourselves because we have no ability to distinguish between what is meaningful and what is not.
 

fskimospy

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To me, he came across as genuinely wanting to make a deal and a willingness to compromise to get it done. But, if you say he's not being serious...then I'm sure it must be true in some alternate universe. It's not like you're really biased or anything.

I’m sure he came across to you as genuinely wanting to compromise and make a deal the last time he declared a deal on DACA. He of course went back on that deal like a day later.

Trump is not capable of making deals like this because 1) he is too stupid and/or ignorant to understand the topic he is making deals on and 2) nobody believes a single word he says. You can’t make deals without being able to credibly commit to holding up your end and who would be stupid enough to EVER trust him to hold up his end?

In short he’s woefully ignorant on policy, untrustworthy, and enormously unpopular. Those are not the attributes of someone people have much incentive to make a deal with. If any deal is to be had it will be through Congress, ignoring Trump.
 
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At this point I understand that Trump is wholly unsuited for reality, nevermind the Office, but the fact that apparently sane people support and defend him regardless, makes me think we're near the Great Filter which we will apply to ourselves because we have no ability to distinguish between what is meaningful and what is not.
Case in point. Your projection is spot on.
 

fskimospy

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At this point I understand that Trump is wholly unsuited for reality, nevermind the Office, but the fact that apparently sane people support and defend him regardless, makes me think we're near the Great Filter which we will apply to ourselves because we have no ability to distinguish between what is meaningful and what is not.

It’s amazing how far people have subconsciously lowered the bar for competence in service of their tribal identity. The idea that any previous president wouldn’t know what a clean bill is or would be praised for making it through a 45 minute meeting being able to remember people’s names that were written in front of them and only subverting his own legislative priorities once is beyond belief. They would have been a national joke.

The fact that Republicans are still trying to defend this behavior shows how diseased American conservatism has become. It is nothing more than a tribal scream of rage at this point, which is scary. This guy is incompetent and likely mentally ill to any person with eyes to see.
 

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A misunderstanding of what Feinstein meant is now considered "gross incompetence" in your world? Got it.


Yes, it is. It demonstrates a complete lack of knowledge regarding the important fundamentals of his position. Likewise failure of a physician to not understand terms like anterior and posterior would be alarming. A pharmacist who does not understand "interactions", an attorney who believes "tort" is something found on a pastry tray. A meteorologist who thinks "convection" only applies to his oven.

Basic terms that a high school kid ought to know eludes the President of the United States of America.

Yes, that's a bad thing.
 

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. . . I personally applaud seeing this kind of transparency. And I'm not a fn Trump fan...but I'm not going to let my dislike for him rot my brain like so many of your ilk.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i5gl30nhM38

You sir got snookered. That was not honest transparency. By no stretch of the imagination was this an actual negotiation session. It was Trump trying out his new reality TV show. No actual positions were ever presented by anyone, just the vaguest of outlines.

The real proof is how The Donald treated it the next day-claiming all the "reviews" were very positive and people loved his "performance."

Our federal government is dis-functional enough, we don't need it turned into a TV show.
 

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It’s amazing how far people have subconsciously lowered the bar for competence in service of their tribal identity. The idea that any previous president wouldn’t know what a clean bill is or would be praised for making it through a 45 minute meeting being able to remember people’s names that were written in front of them and only subverting his own legislative priorities once is beyond belief. They would have been a national joke.

The fact that Republicans are still trying to defend this behavior shows how diseased American conservatism has become. It is nothing more than a tribal scream of rage at this point, which is scary. This guy is incompetent and likely mentally ill to any person with eyes to see.


I really do wonder about our ability to survive as a species.
 

fskimospy

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I am looking forward to a few years from now where it will be next to impossible to find any conservative who will admit to having supported Trump despite him having near universal support from them right now. Same thing happened when GWB crashed and burned. He became not a ‘real conservative’ almost overnight.
 
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You sir got snookered. That was not honest transparency. By no stretch of the imagination was this an actual negotiation session. It was Trump trying out his new reality TV show. No actual positions were ever presented by anyone, just the vaguest of outlines.

The real proof is how The Donald treated it the next day-claiming all the "reviews" were very positive and people loved his "performance."

Our federal government is dis-functional enough, we don't need it turned into a TV show.
I rather see what actually happens instead of hearing about bits and pieces of the meeting being spun in the media with tons of extreme political bias. But hey, that's just me.
 
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Hayabusa Rider

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I am looking forward to a few years from now where it will be next to impossible to find any conservative who will admit to having supported Trump despite him having near universal support from them right now. Same thing happened when GWB crashed and burned. He became not a ‘real conservative’ almost overnight.


The absolute disconnect certainly allows for that.

Example-

 

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Good god why does he have to go on about Hillary?! She's not even a politician anymore, if he ranted about Pelosi or something it would at least make some sense! (ok, I do know why he's obsessed with Hillary, as his victory is his one achievement he's clinging too).

I wasn't really following at the time; but did Bush go on about Gore a year after taking office? Did Obama gloat about how much Romney sucked?
 

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This is what is known as a projection. You are irritated and have been made to feel humiliation and self hate for feeling that way so you have learned not to see yourself that way to protect your ego. Protecting ego is ego. The cure for it is humility and egotists see humility as a terrible emotional state, one they are familiar with. Once a person is unable to feel humility because of being humiliated which causes the suppression of that feeling, one wants to humiliate others and make them feel what one has learned to feel. This causes feelings like other people don't get it, that they have lesser intellectual ability when in fact the reason they do that is that they have a lesser ability to accurately judge their own capacity, to feel humility in the proper way, having no need to prove anything. This all arises out of the fact we have been forced to compete, our system is based on competition, and that creates fear, the fear one will lose and not win. So what you are doing is projecting your own fear of losing onto democrats with the thought that will humiliate them and that will make you happy. It can never do that no matter how bad they may actually feel. That's because you have a loser's mentality, you are afraid.

The facts are that Trump is a menace to the human race, a madman who is in a powerful place, and rational people with nothing much to prove can see that. He is dangerously mentally ill. But you are asleep and can't see any of this. It's a real pity you are and that because of millions of others like you he is in power, but there's nothing to be irritated about. Things are exactly as they must be and can't be any different. People have experienced extreme emotional pain as children and we don't want to remember. It's just not fair to hate people who fear pain. Who doesn't? I'm sorry you need to feel important. But people do sometimes get over this.

Man... anyone else you want to hate on today while your at it? I’ve never seen Americans so separated by political bs in my life... listen, if your not FOR the US your against us so why don’t you move somewhere where things are to your liking? I’ve seen NO adverse effects on American soil since he has become president except listening to a bunch of damn whining and bitching about hypothetical shit that simply doesn’t exist or have any direct effect on any TRUE Americans in general... sheesh man!
Get over it!
 

fskimospy

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Man... anyone else you want to hate on today while your at it? I’ve never seen Americans so separated by political bs in my life... listen, if your not FOR the US your against us so why don’t you move somewhere where things are to your liking? I’ve seen NO adverse effects on American soil since he has become president except listening to a bunch of damn whining and bitching about hypothetical shit that simply doesn’t exist or have any direct effect on any TRUE Americans in general... sheesh man!
Get over it!

Can you explain who 'true' Americans are? I'm very interested.

Speaking of adverse effects it's estimated that 13 million or so 'true Americans' will lose their health care due to the tax bill he signed. Does that count as an adverse effect to you?
 
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