Trying to get work as a programmer -- need advice.

Ruger22C

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A little context: I'm disabled, and I'm trying to get into web development so I can finally support myself -- and so I can get out of the terrible, terrible city I live in (within USA).

I learned programming (PHP, MySQL) about seven years ago, but at the time going into it as a career wasn't a good option. February of this year, I decided to go for it. I've done a lot of studying, coding, a few good projects, etc.

My primary tech is React, and the rest is listed below (resume).

For around five months, I've been trying to get a remote job as a web developer, and I believe I've put in more than 1,200 applications.

There are two reasons that I don't already have a job:
1) It's a crap shoot as far as what kind of challenges I get in an interview. Sometimes it's heavy leetcode, sometimes YDKJS, sometimes it's React-based, etc.
2) It's absurdly difficult to get an interview at all.

I did pretty well in my last two, but not well enough.

One told me that if it was March, he'd give me a position now -- but for the current tasks he needs done, the candidate needs to have strong DS&A skill. I'm not unwilling to learn DS&A, but most interviewers so far have wanted me to be strong in React/YDKJS, not DS&A, so it seems unwise to focus too much attention on that.

The other was for a mid-level role and the challenge was all React / web-dev based. He knew I had zero work experience, but wanted me to try anyway. I'd say I did pretty well; I passed the first technical interview, but on the second one they decided that I was closer to junior level. Unfortunately they're not in a position yet to take on juniors, and he told me that they liked me and he would offer me such a role if he could.

I feel like getting better at coding will have marginal impact on my ability to get my first job. At this point, I think I just need more interview opportunities, but I'm rarely getting offered any interviews. I need advice, please. I'm stressed about not having a job yet, and because I'm getting less attention rather than more.

Resume:

 

purbeast0

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If you have no experience, apply for junior level roles, regardless of what kind of programming you've done or how much. Having no "real world" experience is going to put you at that level. It's a lot different working on a team doing dev than doing it on your own.

Also don't worry about doing React specifically. Try to get into anything that is using some kind of the popular modern frameworks like React, Angular, Vue, etc. If you know how to code and know how to learn, you can pick stuff up. Especially going in at the junior level, whoever hires you is going to know before you are hired that it's going to take you months to get up to speed. It's normal in the industry especially for people without much experience.

I'm also no resume expert but I'd put your skills first, then experience, and then projects. Make it so they see your tech first since that's what these people are really looking for up front. I'd also add much more than you have there. If you've touched ANY part of any tech, put it on your resume. If you've literally written one line of code in something, put it on there. I see you don't even have CSS in general on there but rather some specific one. I'd put both. Also put HTML. If you've ever written 1 line in angular or anything, put it on there. I'd also put a section for tools like npm, node, git, etc. A lot of those are understood to be had in the industry but still, doesn't hurt to just put them on there because remember, half the time people who first see your resume are not tech savy at all and rather just looking for keywords.

I'd also get rid of the "looking for junior dev role" thing on there. Obviously you are looking for a job - you sent them your resume. It's redundant.
 

Ruger22C

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If you have no experience, apply for junior level roles, regardless of what kind of programming you've done or how much. Having no "real world" experience is going to put you at that level. It's a lot different working on a team doing dev than doing it on your own.

I'd also get rid of the "looking for junior dev role" thing on there. Obviously you are looking for a job - you sent them your resume. It's redundant.

I do apply for junior roles, but they barely exist at all. Almost all of the listings are for mid-level or senior, so I apply to those and hope they'll consider me for a junior role (that's why my resume mentions junior dev). I believe that's how I got all but one of my interviews.

But yeah, I can apply for Vue/etc. roles like you suggested.
 

purbeast0

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I do apply for junior roles, but they barely exist at all. Almost all of the listings are for mid-level or senior, so I apply to those and hope they'll consider me for a junior role (that's why my resume mentions junior dev). I believe that's how I got all but one of my interviews.

But yeah, I can apply for Vue/etc. roles like you suggested.
Not sure if you know about these two sites but I used to browse these until I realized that the chances of me finding something on there with pay I'd consider just ain't happening.



There are used to be tons of junior/entry level jobs that I saw on those sites when I used to browse them.
 

Ruger22C

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Not sure if you know about these two sites but I used to browse these until I realized that the chances of me finding something on there with pay I'd consider just ain't happening.



There are used to be tons of junior/entry level jobs that I saw on those sites when I used to browse them.

Never heard of them, and it looks like they're now also devoid of junior roles :\ Thanks though.
 

Mai72

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I'm not a programmer, but my sister is one. Back about 7 years ago she lost hew position at Boston University as a biologist. The funding dried up. From what I remember, she did a bit of networking in the Boston area. She landed a low entry remote position with a company that works on cloud security for some very large compaines. Both domestic and abroad. The truth is she outworked mostly everyone. She quickly went from making $25 an hour to $70k a year. The position was supossed to be only temporary, but because she is so diligent they hired her full time. Currently, she is making $170k a year.

In conclusion: Network. Take a low entry position if you have too. And, work your butt off. Good luck.
 

BoomerD

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First, let me start by saying, I know less than nothing about programming or IT in general...however, if you're trying to break into a field with NO experience, get all the formal education you possibly can. If you're not working, you have the time...take as many programming classes as you can get into. Advance into higher level classes when they're available and you have taken the prerequisites. Try to get some internships if they're available. I'm generally dead set against unpaid internships, but in your case, they might be a way for you to (a) get some hands-on training and experience, and (b) make some networking contacts who might be able to help.
 

Ruger22C

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First, let me start by saying, I know less than nothing about programming or IT in general...however, if you're trying to break into a field with NO experience, get all the formal education you possibly can. If you're not working, you have the time...take as many programming classes as you can get into. Advance into higher level classes when they're available and you have taken the prerequisites. Try to get some internships if they're available. I'm generally dead set against unpaid internships, but in your case, they might be a way for you to (a) get some hands-on training and experience, and (b) make some networking contacts who might be able to help.

I'm actually majoring in CS right now, but because I won't be graduating soon, I found it works against me. People don't want to hire me because they assume I won't have enough time to do school along with a full-time role -- even though I'm just a part time student.

So I took my CS major off my resume, and I seem to do a little better.
 

purbeast0

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I'm actually majoring in CS right now, but because I won't be graduating soon, I found it works against me. People don't want to hire me because they assume I won't have enough time to do school along with a full-time role -- even though I'm just a part time student.

So I took my CS major off my resume, and I seem to do a little better.
That's a terrible idea IMO.

There are PLENTY of people who go to school and work full time. If a company sees that as a negative, it's not a company worth working for anyways.
 

Red Squirrel

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Try for help desk or something along those lines, that gets your foot in the company then you can eventually apply for internal positions that eventually come out. Lot of higher end jobs never make it external.

Also I would keep CS on there, that's basically the foundation for any tech related job and often is a requirement. It opens a lot of doors.
 
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