Trying to put together a new PC - please help

[Bogdanov89]

I need some help putting together a brand new gaming PC that will last for ~4 years (or more with Overclocking).

Approximate Purchase Date: this week.

Budget Range: 1000 euros, there are no shipping costs or tax fees.

System Usage from Most to Least Important: exclusively gaming, stuff like bf4 with max players.

Are you buying a monitor: No, perhaps in 6+ months

Parts to Upgrade: CPU, PSU, Motherboard, HDD (not SSD), RAM, PC case
I will purchase a GPU in about 6 months, until then i won't use this PC for gaming (school stuff).

Do you need to buy OS: No, i have windows 7 64bit

Preferred Website(s) for Parts: i never used any of those US/EU popular websites.

Location: Eastern Europe, Serbia
Generally i am looking more for technical/hardware advice, the 1000 euro budget is perhaps flexible

Parts Preferences: Intel CPU (never AMD), Nvidia GPU (never Ati)
I need 16GB DDR3 of ram (2000+mhz) for some school stuff, and it never hurts

I don't want an SSD right now, it does not increase gaming FPS while i don't care about loading times.
ATX sized mobo with Z97 intel chipset, USB3.0 and best Sata 3 thingy (6GBps i think?)

Overclocking: Yes, when i can't run games at 50+ FPS.

SLI or Crossfire: No, i dislike having multiple GPUs (or multiple HDDs)

Your Monitor Resolution: 1920x1080 or 1920x1200, depending on what i decide at the end

Additional Comments:
- the GPU is not included in the budget, it will be purchased separately.
- the CPU i have set my "heart" on is the Intel i7 4790K
- i have no interest in making my PC look pretty or shiny
- i decided against the new expensive tech (DDR4, broadwell etc..)
- I would like a good HDD like 1TB WD Black 7200rpm 64cache, or something else you suggest (not SSD at this moment)
- I am clueless about PSU and Motherboards, i just don't understand what to look for in one
- An ATX sized motherboard (z97 intel chipset) with a good cooling-oriented PC case around it, but nothing fancy looking is needed.
- aside from USB 3.0, SATA 3 and overclocking support, i do not need anything else on mobo.

Why Are You Upgrading:
I am buying a new PC out of 2 reasons:
1. I need a much much stronger PC for some school stuff i am doing (CPU/RAM intensive, does not need GPU)
2. In about 6 months i will finish that school stuff, get a pricy new GPU and enjoy that gaming beast

Thank you for helping me out.

 

[mfenn]

Well I think you would have a hard time spending 1000 euros on a 4790K machine with no GPU or SSD unless you really blew money on silly parts or your prices are very high.

Also, you should absolutely get an SSD, it is the single biggest upgrade that you can make right now. For random access patterns (in other words, desktop uses), an SSD is roughly 100 times faster than an HDD. There is no other part that you can get which is 100 times faster than what you currently have.

Speaking of parts, do you know of any shops in your country? Or are you fine ordering from German shops like Alternate?

 

[Sleepingforest]

I think you are making a mistake with the CPU and SSD choices. Battlefield 4, for example, does not scale at all with more CPU threads, as seen here. In gaming, it is very rare to need something with as many threads as the 4790K. I seriously think you should reconsider.

Meanwhile, SSD improves almost everything about your experience. Applications load faster and your computer boots faster as well. You will rarely, if ever, see load screens long enough to read the text or look at the picture. That, to my mind, is much more valuable. As a person who has played AAA games on both an SSD and HDD on the same computer, I can tell you that games I am forced to relegate to the HDD are a markedly inferior experience thanks to load times, particularly games that have to load many areas (Far Cry 4, Borderlands, Assassin's Creed, etc).

 

[lehtv]

I think you are making a mistake with the CPU and SSD choices. Battlefield 4, for example, does not scale at all with more CPU threads, as seen here.

Those are single player benchmarks, so totally irrelevant to the OP. BF4 single player is not CPU intensive at all, as you can see from the clock speed comparisons on that page. If BF4 multiplayer is anything like BF3, it will definitely like a fast processor and it will take advantage of the extra threads on a 64-player server.

I seriously think you should reconsider.

However, here's where you're right . 4670K is definitely the better processor for the money, and should play BF4 smoothly enough anyway.

 

[Sleepingforest]

Those are single player benchmarks, so totally irrelevant to the OP. BF4 single player is not CPU intensive at all, as you can see from the clock speed comparisons on that page. If BF4 multiplayer is anything like BF3, it will definitely like a fast processor and it will take advantage of the extra threads on a 64-player server.

Whoops, I linked the wrong benchmarks. Here's one that reports no improvement between 4 cores and 8 threads. In fact, some sites report a performance hit due to hyperthreading.

 

[lehtv]

Whoops, I linked the wrong benchmarks. Here's one that reports no improvement between 4 cores and 8 threads.

 

[Sleepingforest]

Damn, I read through it too quickly. But in the other link there is a clear statement, tested on a fully populated server.

 

[lehtv]

Damn, I read through it too quickly. But in the other link there is a clear statement, tested on a fully populated server.

OK. Well, the only question mark now is whether BF4 has been updated to better support hyperthreading during the 14 months since that article was written. I'd give it a test if I owned the game :\

 

[Sleepingforest]

I own the game but don't have hyperthreading. It's a tough life. it does look like they attempted a fix.