Probably.Do you even know how right you are on that? I've been watching the federal sausage-making process for 20 years now, and it's not as bad as you think it - it's probably worse.
Um, no. The Democrats insisted on federalizing TSA - Republicans were fine with having the airports hire private security. Since the Republicans have never held anything like a filibuster-proof majority (and G-d help us all if they ever do) they had no choice but to go along, because in D.C. any bill or program is automatically better than none. Are you really going to imply that things would be better if these federal employees were also unionized?The TSA was a Republican designed solution (GW Bush) to airport security and specifically bars unionization. What it has become is a vilified and demoralized security force made up almost entirely of people not interested in doing their jobs but instead totally focused on doing what is necessary to keep their jobs and paychecks.
It's like the GOP set about to prove government can't function by intentionally setting up an unworkable system.
It's sad how badly the TSA performs what is a very real need. Bottom line I think is too much design was done by politicians pushing their agendas when we should have had it designed by security professionals. A total makeover is needed.
Probably.
Um, no. The Democrats insisted on federalizing TSA - Republicans were fine with having the airports hire private security. Since the Republicans have never held anything like a filibuster-proof majority (and G-d help us all if they ever do) they had no choice but to go along, because in D.C. any bill or program is automatically better than none. Are you really going to imply that things would be better if these federal employees were also unionized?
That's the beauty of the private sector - doing one's job IS what is necessary to keep one's job and paycheck. With government, not so much. Keeping one's job and paycheck as a federal employee requires only showing up and not committing certain hot button actions.
It seems that way to the brain dead that can't understand that some solutions to some problems might not be the best solutions for other problems.Democrats can't make up their minds about exactly what kind of evil the Republicans are. One minute they're privatizing everything, the next minute they're federalizing everything. They're a confused group.
lmao!
Remember "You don't professionalize until you federalize"? I do. Everyone with a shred of common sense knows that making them federal employees doesn't make them good, it just removes the penalties for sucking.
Do you even know how right you are on that? I've been watching the federal sausage-making process for 20 years now, and it's not as bad as you think it - it's probably worse.
Probably.
Um, no. The Democrats insisted on federalizing TSA - Republicans were fine with having the airports hire private security. Since the Republicans have never held anything like a filibuster-proof majority (and G-d help us all if they ever do) they had no choice but to go along, because in D.C. any bill or program is automatically better than none. Are you really going to imply that things would be better if these federal employees were also unionized?
That's the beauty of the private sector - doing one's job IS what is necessary to keep one's job and paycheck. With government, not so much. Keeping one's job and paycheck as a federal employee requires only showing up and not committing certain hot button actions.
Interesting argument-it is the other guys fault because the GOP didn't have a filibuster proof majority to ram through what they purportedly meant to do, as opposed to what they actually did do. "Never my fault" is certainly the modern GOP's true touchstone.
We already had privatized airport security before 9/11, and that was proven inadequate.
We already had privatized airport security before 9/11, and that was proven inadequate.
Are you serious? "We don't have a filibuster-proof majority" is the excuse the Democrats use ALL THE DAMN TIME.
I'm sure if they were paid a higher wage they would do better.
lol Yep.Democrats can't make up their minds about exactly what kind of evil the Republicans are. One minute they're privatizing everything, the next minute they're federalizing everything. They're a confused group.
I'd blame both parties, for the reason I listed. To make it simpler for you:Interesting argument-it is the other guys fault because the GOP didn't have a filibuster proof majority to ram through what they purportedly meant to do, as opposed to what they actually did do. "Never my fault" is certainly the modern GOP's true touchstone.
We already had privatized airport security before 9/11, and that was proven inadequate.
The phrase "Republicans were fine with having the airports hire private security" in no way implies that airports did not already have private security. It is solely a statement about how the Republican Congresscritters in toto felt about that situation. Had I intended to say "Republicans wanted the airports to switch to private security", I assure you that I am quite capable of saying that, assuming that situation had existed at the time.Maybe to things that were actually filibustered. I mean, just read werepossum's post. What is he claiming? That the GOP wanted to privatize the security that was already privatized? That the Democrat minority forced the Republican majority to federalize the security? How does that work?
Who would argue for that?
95% failure rate.
I know you're just trolling your usual line, but grow up, will ya?
ok that looks bad.
67 out of 70 tests...
but hey since 9/11 how many airplanes have bumped in to a building?
none.
a deterrent is the best deterrent.
What they need to focus on is finding bombs and firearms and screw everything else, but evidently even that's too hard for them.
Of course, the locking door is what allowed that German guy to intentionally crash that plane full of people. Should we learn the lesson that you can't prevent every atrocity no matter how many balls you grope so we might as well keep our dignity? Nope.The cockpit doors are locked now and the lack of those locks is what allowed the 9/11 hijackers to gain control of the planes and the crashes to happen. Also, two people are required in the cockpit at all times. These TSA idiots seem to be able to find and confiscate nail clippers and corkscrews but can't seem to find bombs and guns. Does anyone seriously believe that after 9/11, passengers would sit idly by while a couple of maniacs with scissors, nail clippers, screwdrivers, or corkscrews take over the passenger cabin? A poster at another forum told a story about the time he had a 6-way screw driver in his computer bag. The TSA took it away, of course. But then he heard someone run up behind him yelling 'Sir! Sir! Look... If you break down your screw driver into the basic parts then none of them are more than 4" long. As long as you leave it in parts you can take it on with your carry-on.' I mean SERIOUSLY?
What they need to focus on is finding bombs and firearms and screw everything else, but evidently even that's too hard for them.
Of course, the locking door is what allowed that German guy to intentionally crash that plane full of people. Should we learn the lesson that you can't prevent every atrocity no matter how many balls you grope so we might as well keep our dignity? Nope.
It would be solved with more money, is the stock answer that dems use all the time for failing government programs, agencies, etc.
Of course, the locking door is what allowed that German guy to intentionally crash that plane full of people. Should we learn the lesson that you can't prevent every atrocity no matter how many balls you grope so we might as well keep our dignity? Nope.
IndyColtsFan said:Also, two people are required in the cockpit at all times.
The argument can be made that Europeans fucked up by only implementing half of the security measures, ie reinforced doors w/o requiring 2 people in the cockpit at all times
Yes, I understand that, but my overall point is that no matter how many safeguards you put in place, someone is going to figure out a way around them. I'm sure that pilot could have figured out a way to incapacitate the second pilot if he was determined to do so.I agree, but you missed this part of my post:
Having 2 people in the cockpit at all times was not required by the German airline - perhaps that simple rule could've saved all those lives.
Yep.
Yes, I understand that, but my overall point is that no matter how many safeguards you put in place, someone is going to figure out a way around them. I'm sure that pilot could have figured out a way to incapacitate the second pilot if he was determined to do so.
Yes, I understand that, but my overall point is that no matter how many safeguards you put in place, someone is going to figure out a way around them. I'm sure that pilot could have figured out a way to incapacitate the second pilot if he was determined to do so.
Security in a nuclear power plant trumps what you will find at any airport in the U.S. There's nothing wrong with privatizing airport security if you do it like the Nuclear Regulatory Commission mandates its power plants. Hell, most nuclear power plants security force will make local swat teams look bad.
TSA needs to be dismantled for good.