So no answer to any of my questions? And you're still sticking to your claims despite that, with no sources to back anything of it up?Samsung's probably playing more games with the node names. I wish they'd stop.
This is why the industry is salivating over 8K. As long as pixel count continues to get an undue amount of attention it's easy enough to induce people to spend a lot on GPUs.the market (gamers mostly) continued to pay for new hardware at much higher prices.
Samsung's probably playing more games with the node names. I wish they'd stop.
Well,Idontcare and many others did say that it would happen.We did see this with Intel 14nm vs TSMC 16nm vs samsung 14nm.It seems it would be the case with newer nodes.Probably samsung's 10nm would be somewhat better than Intel's 14nm but might be lagging behind by a considerable amount when compared with Intel's 10nm. But we will have to wait and watch for that.Things are a bit far away to be crystal clear.
If by challenge you mean throwing poop at him then by running away you probably mean finding better ways to spend his free time than justifying himself to frustrated anonymous posters. I have no history with the man, nor did I agree with him on a regular basis, but the cowards are elsewhere to be found than on his chair.IDC was challenged to justify some of his claims, he didn't like it and run away.
I have no idea why anybody listens to you, you clearly are out of the industry. Anybody who can still call intel 14nm a decent product or even on par with samsung 14nm in performance can't have worked that recently.
If by challenge you mean throwing poop at him then by running away you probably mean finding better ways to spend his free time than justifying himself to frustrated anonymous posters. I have no history with the man, nor did I agree with him on a regular basis, but the cowards are elsewhere to be found than on his chair.
Look at Arachnotronic, recently he started making claims of his own, based on whatever sources he can muster. It won't be long until some people will "challenge" him as well (afaik it already started), and although I feel he's more resilient than IDC, and although I have a hard time believing his claims, I still think he should be encouraged to share them properly.
Besides the personal attacks, it was funny to witness the number of false claims IDC had to account for once he made his first slip: everything but the weather.
This discussion on process nodes is causing the group to miss the forest for the trees. 2016 will be the year of the SOC for reals. An SOC with heterogenous nodes on the same substrate, get it?
Like Clarksdale? 32nm core + 45nm graphics portion? That chip was horrible because it effectively didn't have an IMC for the CPU portion not to mention abysmal GPU performance the only saving grace was OC you could get it north of 4.8GHz and be effectively on par with the next gen i3 which was very impressive for both.
The foundry taped out last month a 16FF+ device merging a CPU and two HBM2 memory stacks on a silicon interposer to pave the way for its 7nm offering.
Apple is rumoured to use InFO for 10nm A-series processors in the iPhone 7. Liu said the 10nm InFO process will be ready by June. The 15 x 15mm packages can pack three chips using three redistribution layers of 10 microns each.
Well, it's that exact article that specifically suggests A10 is on 10 nm.
Yes there's this in that post you linked:
But then there's this later on in the same article:
So, is the thread saying:
1) Samsung 10 nm is a bit more dense than Intel 14 nm but not by that much.
2) TSMC 10 nm is more dense than Samsung 10 nm, but not as dense as Intel 10 nm.
3) TSMC 10 nm SoCs likely won't be out in 2016, at least not in any major volume.
The (old) rumor is that A10 is 16FF+ and A10X is 10nm. Does that help make it more confusing?
Could still be true if A10X is for 1H 2017 this time.
Still seems like 10 nm is just a minor density improvement for both foundries. What they are calling 7 nm now is the one that is comparable to Intel's 14 nm in terms of density.