Tualatin with BX

[apoppin]

The PL adapter only supplies a fixed voltage (unless you do the "wire trick").

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: apoppin
The PL adapter only supplies a fixed voltage (unless you do the "wire trick").

Well, the NEW PL-iP3 has voltage adjustments that the original lacked (I rma'd my old one and just got the new one - BTW, awesome customer service from PowerLeap - they pay the postage both ways AND sent my replacement 2nd Day Air at no extra charge) - all the way to 1.825v via jumpers.

 

[Binox]

excellent apoppin, so you can help me out...

do you have motherboard monitor?
can you check out what your core voltage is?

because whatever I set it to manually on the adapter (1.475 right now), the bios and motherboard monitor always shows 2.08 which is way too high!!

is this normal?
what do you get?

 

[Kaiser__Sose]

bionox what are your temps?

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Binox
excellent apoppin, so you can help me out...

do you have motherboard monitor?
can you check out what your core voltage is?

because whatever I set it to manually on the adapter (1.475 right now), the bios and motherboard monitor always shows 2.08 which is way too high!!

is this normal?
what do you get?

Help? . . . ! . . . maybe . . . I have never used MB monitor before. I have ver. 4.08 just installed. When it is first setup, it asks for your CPU Core voltage which I entered as 1.5v.

It shows Core O as 2.13v and Core 1 as 1.5v. (My adapter is at default 1.550v).

BTW, my 1.2Ghz O/C's at 117FSB (1.4Ghz) with default voltage (my old PL adapter and 1st stepping 1.2Ghz couldn't do over 1.24 Ghz or 103FSB) . . . If I had known I could O/C with the PL adapter, I wouldn't have bought the Soyo tualatin MB. Anyway, I will tweak further . . .

Back to your problem - there isn't any . . . MB monitor is reading your voltage to the PL adapter (2.xxv); the adapter is feeding your cpu with the correct voltage (1.5xxv or what ever you set it at). (Hopefully - PL is awesome for RMAs).


EDIT: I got to 124 FSB - 1.5 Ghz with same 1.55v(!!!) - it wouldn't post at 133FSB, however. This leads me to believe that I CAN get 1.6Ghz (133FSB) with some tweaking and voltage increases.

 

[boyRacer]

Wow... that's awfully pretty good for a 1.2. You've got to be one lucky guy if your 1.2 can do 1.6. Good luck!

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: BoYRaCeR
Wow... that's awfully pretty good for a 1.2. You've got to be one lucky guy if your 1.2 can do 1.6. Good luck!

It's at 124FSB (1.489Ghz) right now and very stable . . . and I haven't upped the voltage (yet). I imagine I should be able to get 1.6Ghz pretty easily with voltage tweeks (or else very close to it) with my new SOYO MB (which I'll pick-up tomorrow).

My BX board doesn't have anything between 124 and 133 FSB (it won't post at 133FSB) - I believe the SOYO has 1Mhz increments.

My guess is that the Tualatin Celerons were limited in the beginning when I got mine 10 months ago (as was the PL adapter). Now that the Celerons are at 1.4Ghz regularly, it is easy to O/C the 1.2 (now).


Binox - have you tried o/c'ing your Celeron even further (now that it is "safe" to do so)? You can adjust the jumpers to 1.65v which should be pretty safe.

 

[Binox]

apoppin
motherboard monitor 4.08??
that's an old version.. mine doesn't ask me what voltage my cpu is at, but then core 0 is 2.08 and core 1 is 2.48...
so I hope it's not core 1 that indicates the correct voltage...

also, these voltages are from your soyo board, or PL adapter with old board?
if PL adapter with old board, it's the PL iP3/T? and what kind of motherboard?

so apoppin, if you don't mind doing this
you can get mbm 5.1.9 for free download @ http://mbm.livewiredev.com/

and then uninstall the other first & completely remove data files to remove settings... cause I want to see what your core 1 is with this version... if it's still 1.5... can you try upping the voltage to see if core 1 goes up accordingly?

in which case, my cpu is running a 2.48v!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[boyRacer]

Nah... my board has that weird glitch where it downgrades my settings if i overclock past 140FSB... my AGP goes down to 2x and my ram timings slow down. There's a third party bios fix but id rather stay with official ones... besides its the summer still... and my room temp is a wee bit too high.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Binox
apoppin
motherboard monitor 4.08??
that's an old version.. mine doesn't ask me what voltage my cpu is at, but then core 0 is 2.08 and core 1 is 2.48...
so I hope it's not core 1 that indicates the correct voltage...

also, these voltages are from your soyo board, or PL adapter with old board?
if PL adapter with old board, it's the PL iP3/T? and what kind of motherboard?

so apoppin, if you don't mind doing this
you can get mbm 5.1.9 for free download @ http://mbm.livewiredev.com/

and then uninstall the other first & completely remove data files to remove settings... cause I want to see what your core 1 is with this version... if it's still 1.5... can you try upping the voltage to see if core 1 goes up accordingly?

in which case, my cpu is running a 2.48v!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yes, MB monitor 4.08 from 1999. It's all I had archived.

I am using my brand new PL iP3/T adapter/1.2 Ghz Tualatin Celeron (@1.5Ghz at default voltage) on my Abit BX-6(R.2).

I'd much rather not use MB monitor at all. I am quite certain it is not giving you correct the reading of voltage to your CPU. IMPOSSIBLE. The adapter (if it is working correctly) limits the voltage from your MB to your CPU.

Have you tried CHANGING the voltage with the adapter jumpers? Try 1.4v and then 1.7v (neither will hurt your CPU for a short time). IF MB monitor reports the SAME 2.48v then it is INCORRECT.

After all it is monitoring your MB output, not the reduced voltage from the socket adapter.

 

[Binox]

apoppin, that would make sense... but then how come your core 1 shows the voltage on your adapter 1.5?
unless its just a coincidence, this is why I want you to try mbm v5...
if you don't mind, it's a 1.6mb download...

but you don't have to, I'm gonna run more test later... I'll set the adapter to 1.1v and run the cpu at 1.58ghz... if this works, then there's definetly something wrong right?

if it doesn't work, it means the voltage selection on the adapter really does do the job, and the actual voltage on the motherboard is wrong... in which case it sucks we can't check voltage or temperature on the cpu...

can you check temperature? me I can only get system temp...
so to answer your question kaiser_sose - my system temp is at 28... and I don't have cpu temp )-:
or cpu voltage apparently )-:

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Binox
apoppin, that would make sense... but then how come your core 1 shows the voltage on your adapter 1.5?
unless its just a coincidence, this is why I want you to try mbm v5...
if you don't mind, it's a 1.6mb download...

Why, because I told it my CPU core voltage.

but you don't have to, I'm gonna run more test later... I'll set the adapter to 1.1v and run the cpu at 1.58ghz... if this works, then there's definetly something wrong right?

1.1 is too low. Try going back to default FSB and setting the jumper - first to 1.4v and then to 1.7v. If MB Monitor doesn't report it's change - it isn't reading it.

if it doesn't work, it means the voltage selection on the adapter really does do the job, and the actual voltage on the motherboard is wrong... in which case it sucks we can't check voltage or temperature on the cpu...

correct - it's an OLD MB (what do you expect?). However, you might be able to approximate your CPU temp with the external snesor (if your MB supports is).

Your MB voltage IS 2.08v - the adapter is lowering it.

Actually, you just gave me a reason to sell my adaptor and install the Soyo Tualatin MB I just got ($54 shipped) - I was thinking of sending it back - now I might just sell my PL adapter (as I had planned).

can you check temperature? me I can only get system temp...

Of course not, My BX board requires an external sensor near the core - it is not connected. Yet, my MB Monitor DOES report CPU temps.


You could also try SiSoft's Sandra for performance evaluation - but it is also inaccurate in some ways.

Edited.

 

[Binox]

apoppin, just out of curiosity, because I'm at work so I can try it out, but I will as soon as I get home...
does your core 1 change when you raise/lower your core voltage on the adapter?

1.1 is too low?
but that's the whole purpose, I'll try 1.4 and 1.7 aswell... but I will try 1.1 also just to see if it posts

I was pretty sure that's what was happening, that the adapter was taking 2.08 and lowering it further... but I had to be sure, cause when I saw 2.08 I thought I was gonna burn out my cpu....

but what I found wierd was I was able to boot up windows with 1.3v on the adapter, and 1.46ghz (133fsb from 1100cely)
so this is why I want to try 1.1v, then if this doesn't work, it'll prove to me that the voltage adjustments works...

but what if it does work?
anyway, it better not!! heheh

 

[apoppin]

I seriously doubt that it will even boot at 1.1v - that is way below the CPU's operating range.

PowerLeap's adapter IS designed to supply your Celeron with the correct voltage. The only way it would not is if it were defective. I think you are obsessing unnecessarily about the 2.08v that your program reports.

I didn't bother to change the voltage. I am completely satisfied with 1.5Ghz at default voltage. I will, however, install my Soyo MB and sell my adapter - then I will work at seriously o/c'ing it with 1.6 being my goal (133FSB).

 

[Binox]

apoppin, I'm pretty certain you will reach 1.6ghz...

because I did with my 1.1... 144 x 11
and like you said you didn't up the voltage yet..

I'm sure you can reach 133fsb / 1.6ghz with the adapter if you raise the voltage a bit, you don't need soyo mobo... but I'm sure the soyo will be better then the bx6...

me I don't like running the fsb out of spec, this is why I opted for 1.1 instead of 1.0.. with 1.0 I would have been maxed out at 1.33ghz
so with 1.1, I get 1.46... I figured 1.2 wouldn't reach 1.6, but seems like yours will....

so I should have gotten the 1.2... now I'm jealous )-: heheh

 

[apoppin]

Thanks for your confidence.

Anyway, the reason I am going to install the SOYO is because I like to work with my computer.

Well, really - the Soyo is likely to have more O/C'ing options - my BX has a choice of 124 or 133FSB with nothing in between and few choices after that. The Soyo has built in on die thermal CPU temps as well as ATA100 (instead of my slowbooting PCI card).

The main reason is that I have spent $54 and will only get $36 back (minus my shipping costs). I already have the PL adapter presold.

Finally, when I go to sell my machine to upgrade, I will likely get more money for a computer that boots up at 1.2-1.6Ghz (instead of a BIOS that can't report the speed like my old BX).

I think ALL the Celerons top out around 1.5-1.6Ghz. I know I have 1.5 @ 124FSB and the Soyo will allow 1Mhz increases to reach my ultimate potential (less than 1.75v). The main thing is to be as close to 133FSB (or higher) as possible to allow the Celeron to equal (or beat) the PIII. With 1.6Ghz I will achieve my goal to WAIT before the real upgrade to a DDRII P4 or a Hammer.

Let us know how your experiments turn out. I will post in my other O/C'ing thread my SOYO results (I am working on my poistponed taxes right now).

 

[Binox]

sorry about the late reply, I don't work on weekends, and I don't have internet at home!! my ISP is down (videotron) and now I'm back at work...

so anyway, my computer didn't boot at 1.1v indicating the voltage adjustments on the pl ip3/t do work!!
and then also I was getting instability at 1.5v with 1.46ghz.. so now I'm at 1.55v

also, the core 1 and core 0 voltage in mbm don't change no matter what voltage...