Tucker Carlson is openly siding with Russia over Ukraine

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CIA, NSA, FBI, DOJ, etc. are probably all majority MAGA like all of law enforcement is.

I honestly doubt that. I mean, traditionally the CIA was sort-of liberal-leaning (e.g. funding abstract expressionism - simultaneously part of a propaganda campaign exthorting US values against Soviet communism but also maybe an expression of the educated CIA guys' more sophisticated aesthetic tastes than your average red-stater?).

The FBI traditionally has had a much more right-wing culture, but maybe still not as much as local police departments (it being a Federal body).
 

Dave_5k

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Honestly what are we even paying the CIA for these days?
Mostly desk analysis.

Field agents are a dying breed, increasingly so after Trump regularly disclosed top secret intel to our good friends like Russia, and "misplaced" binders of raw intelligence, and he and his cronies regularly leaked raw CIA information as they were mad about the Russia investigation.
 
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If russia makes a single penny from this we should either deport fucker or put him in jail


Fuck that asshole
 
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If russia makes a single penny from this we should either deport fucker or put him in jail


Fuck that asshole
He and a few others could go hang out with Stevie Seagal and what's her name who 'fled' over there. Oh and the Canadian family. What ever happened to them?
 

fskimospy

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He and a few others could go hang out with Stevie Seagal and what's her name who 'fled' over there. Oh and the Canadian family. What ever happened to them?
Sure is odd how Tara Reade came out of nowhere with a bunch of implausible misconduct allegations and then when the evidence strongly indicated they were bullshit, fled to Russia.
 
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Cucker's handlers seem to be saying it ain't so. Other reports say the Russians started airing some of his shows, maybe with or maybe without his knowledge. But when dealing with either of those groups, who decides which is right and which is an illusion?
 

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Cucker's handlers seem to be saying it ain't so. Other reports say the Russians started airing some of his shows, maybe with or maybe without his knowledge. But when dealing with either of those groups, who decides which is right and which is an illusion?
I certainly wouldn't put it above the Russians to just steal some of his old shows and broadcast them, although I'm not sure how effective that would be as to my knowledge he was generally talking about current events.

Then again I also wouldn't put it above Tucker to go work for the Russian government.

I hope it's not true, as we certainly don't need him doing that shit.
 

iRONic

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JFC…

Up next: Inmate Rudolph Giuliani posting an Al Jazeera podcast from Club Fed.
 
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I honestly doubt that. I mean, traditionally the CIA was sort-of liberal-leaning (e.g. funding abstract expressionism - simultaneously part of a propaganda campaign exthorting US values against Soviet communism but also maybe an expression of the educated CIA guys' more sophisticated aesthetic tastes than your average red-stater?).

The FBI traditionally has had a much more right-wing culture, but maybe still not as much as local police departments (it being a Federal body).

I don't even...just wow. Holy fuck, the CIA liberal leaning? The same group that armed right wing militias and overthrew countless socialist leaders to install despot puppets? That try to do that even to this day? That conspired to sell the Iranian government (bastion of liberalism! Its like the Berkley of the Middle East!) - whom we actively had very public negative relationship with, military equipment to help fund them overthrowing socialist movements. Just because the CIA doused entire cities with LSD doesn't make them hippies, they were trying to see if they could cause drug induced catastrophe or mind control. Only Elon Musk level morons think that's liberal. Also, all the awful shit that J Edgar wanted to do, the CIA did. In fact while Hoover was head of the FBI, the CIA was led by some of the few men who could be considered more awful than him.
 

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Lifer
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I don't even...just wow. Holy fuck, the CIA liberal leaning? The same group that armed right wing militias and overthrew countless socialist leaders to install despot puppets? That try to do that even to this day? That conspired to sell the Iranian government (bastion of liberalism! Its like the Berkley of the Middle East!) - whom we actively had very public negative relationship with, military equipment to help fund them overthrowing socialist movements. Just because the CIA doused entire cities with LSD doesn't make them hippies, they were trying to see if they could cause drug induced catastrophe or mind control. Only Elon Musk level morons think that's liberal. Also, all the awful shit that J Edgar wanted to do, the CIA did. In fact while Hoover was head of the FBI, the CIA was led by some of the few men who could be considered more awful than him.

Um, yeah. That's exactly the sort of thing that liberals traditionally do. Do you by any chance harbour illusions about liberals? Liberals have always been quite pro-imperialism. JS Mill, for example, the archetype liberal, was a huge fan of the British Empire.

I mean, who took the US into Vietnam? A liberal. The liberalism of the CIA is _entirely_ consistent with overthrowing socialist governments, that's what liberals _do_.

You frequently seem quite confused about politics. Probably why you spend much of your time playing forum cop and telling people off for arguing with the right, or going into potty-mouthed diatribes over any disagreement over anything.
 

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I honestly doubt that. I mean, traditionally the CIA was sort-of liberal-leaning (e.g. funding abstract expressionism - simultaneously part of a propaganda campaign exthorting US values against Soviet communism but also maybe an expression of the educated CIA guys' more sophisticated aesthetic tastes than your average red-stater?).

The FBI traditionally has had a much more right-wing culture, but maybe still not as much as local police departments (it being a Federal body).
There's always been tension between operational (typically ex-military) and the degreed people at the agency.
 
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