Tucker Carlson out at MSNBC

kage69

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Well, I must admit, that bow-tie wearing turd hung in there longer than I thought he would. Must have been hard though, what with him still having Jon Stewart's shoe firmly embedded in his lower intestine.



Fox will probably give him his own show someday...





 

MovingTarget

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I don't have anything against him, but honestly we should expect more from our newsmedia. Here's hoping him and all his "infotainment" ilk get the boot. News has gotten more and more superficial over the years and he is just one example of what we have come to expect of it... we deserve better.
 

Zorba

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Tucker bothered me a little, but I hated the format of his show. Anything worth talking about they spent 2 minutes on, then went on and on about stupid crap.
 

Fern

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Too bad, I kinda liked his show.

I didn't see his show much though. He was in a bad time slot and his show wasn't rerun at a later time slot for some reason.

Meh, I don't care much for David Gregory but I'll give him a shot.

If they wanna get more political news programs on, why don't they stop with those damn prison shows?

Fern
 

StageLeft

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Truer words never spoken: Look up douche in the dictionary, you come up with T Carlson.
 

reeserock

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I have heard the Rachel Maddow will might get a show on MSNBC. She is brilliant. I hope she gets his time slot.

 

NFS4

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Originally posted by: kage69
Well, I must admit, that bow-tie wearing turd hung in there longer than I thought he would.
Ummm, he hasn't worn the bowtie on air for nearly two years...
 

NaughtyGeek

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Originally posted by: MovingTarget
I don't have anything against him, but honestly we should expect more from our newsmedia. Here's hoping him and all his "infotainment" ilk get the boot. News has gotten more and more superficial over the years and he is just one example of what we have come to expect of it... we deserve better.

THIS has a lot to do with what the "news" media has become. Although I could not find supporting documentation, RFK Jr. stated that 80% of investigative reporters have lost their jobs since this was repealed. A true crime against The American People as far as I'm concerned.
 

Fern

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Originally posted by: NaughtyGeek
Originally posted by: MovingTarget
I don't have anything against him, but honestly we should expect more from our newsmedia. Here's hoping him and all his "infotainment" ilk get the boot. News has gotten more and more superficial over the years and he is just one example of what we have come to expect of it... we deserve better.

THIS has a lot to do with what the "news" media has become. Although I could not find supporting documentation, RFK Jr. stated that 80% of investigative reporters have lost their jobs since this was repealed. A true crime against The American People as far as I'm concerned.

Firstly, I don't recall that his show a "news" show, I thought it was Op Ed, political discussion type thing. If so, those are two different things.

Secondly, How would the repeal of the Fairness Doctrine lead to investigative reporters losing jobs?

Seems to me that industry dynamics had more to do with that. 1984 was about the time cable news started up and seems to me that lead to the big 3 networks (CBS, ABC & NBC) changing their biz model. At one time they spent extragently on the their evening news show, with people stationed all around the globe. The new divisions lost bundles of money AFAIK. They simply quit that practice and scaled back. You couldn't pay me to watch the fluff they now run. I don't see how the Fairness Doctrine could affect that. How would it even apply? Is their "another side" to fluff not presently being presented?

Fern
 

NaughtyGeek

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Originally posted by: Fern

Firstly, I don't recall that his show a "news" show, I thought it was Op Ed, political discussion type thing. If so, those are two different things.

Secondly, How would the repeal of the Fairness Doctrine lead to investigative reporters losing jobs?

Seems to me that industry dynamics had more to do with that. 1984 was about the time cable news started up and seems to me that lead to the big 3 networks (CBS, ABC & NBC) changing their biz model. At one time they spent extragently on the their evening news show, with people stationed all around the globe. The new divisions lost bundles of money AFAIK. They simply quit that practice and scaled back. You couldn't pay me to watch the fluff they now run. I don't see how the Fairness Doctrine could affect that. How would it even apply? Is their "another side" to fluff not presently being presented?

Fern

It is my understanding that the Fairness Doctrine was put in place to insure that broadcasters represented the public's best interests. They were required to actually present multiple view points on issues and support them with facts. They were actually required to report news, not entertainment. The network news hour always lost money, but it was required under the provisions of representing the publics best interests. Once repealed, it became acceptable to report only one side of an issue and to make Britney Spears "news." It also allowed the corporations to step in and consolidate media ownership. Something like 90% of newspapers and networks are owned by 5 companies today.
 

StageLeft

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I cannot add much to talk of fairness doctrine, but apparently Fox network got out of a lawsuit a few years ago having to do with montsano because, though it reported known lies and misfacts, there is no law that requires a news organization to tell the truth, and therefore they appealed on this basis and won. Nice, eh?
 

Fern

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Originally posted by: NaughtyGeek
-snip-
They were actually required to report news, not entertainment. The network news hour always lost money, but it was required under the provisions of representing the publics best interests.

I never heard that. Wiki was kinda weak on describing it too.

I really don't think the government can mandate that you lose money.

I thought that they viewed the nightly news as "loss leader" for their TV shows that followed it (news).

The part about equal time for opposing views, yeah that part I'm familiar with.

Fern
 

ayabe

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I grew to accept him, I used to hate him with a passion but he's actually alright.

I still vehemently disagree with him on a multitude of topics but he will usually cede points to people when they are right and he is wrong. This is something that is increasingly rare among the talking head crowd who are more likely just to shout their guests down.
 

reeserock

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I'm a lefty and I actually don't mind watching his show. i don't usually agree with him, but he has good guests on the show.
 

jonks

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I'll always have a little warm spot in my heart for Tucker for calling out Spike Lee when they were both guests on Realtime w/Bill Maher. In responding to a question from Maher about how Spike was looked up to in the black community and didn't he think he had a responsibility in that regard to dispell idiotic conspiracies such as the government intentionally detonating the levies in LA after Katrina, Spike responded "well how do we know the government didn't blow up the levies?" Tucker called him out hard for it, and I think it took a lot of guts.
 

conehead433

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Originally posted by: Fern
Too bad, I kinda liked his show.

I didn't see his show much though. He was in a bad time slot and his show wasn't rerun at a later time slot for some reason.

Meh, I don't care much for David Gregory but I'll give him a shot.

If they wanna get more political news programs on, why don't they stop with those damn prison shows?

Fern

QFT! I hate all that crime stuff. MSNBC can't seem to figure out if they want to be in the news biz or entertainment biz. I don't find the crime shows entertaining and always change the channel.
 

BMW540I6speed

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It was nice of Carlson, on his way out, for being so (unintentionally) candid about the lowly, subservient role of the American press with regard to "the relationship between the press and the powerful." over the controversy over Obama advisor Samantha Power's referring to Hillary Clinton as a "monster".

Tucker Carlson had Peev(The reporter from the Scotsman who printed the quote) on his show and angrily criticized her publication of Power's remarks. Carlson upbraided Peev for her lack of deference to someone as important as Power, and Peev retorted by pointing out exactly what that attitude reflects about Carlson and the American press.

CARLSON: What -- she wanted it off the record. Typically, the arrangement is if someone you're interviewing wants a quote off the record, you give it to them off the record. Why didn't you do that?

PEEV: Are you really that acquiescent in the United States? In the United Kingdom, journalists believe that on or off the record is a principle that's decided ahead of the interview. If a figure in public life.

CARLSON: Right.

PEEV: Someone who's ostensibly going to be an advisor to the man who could be the most powerful politician in the world, if she makes a comment and decides it's a bit too controversial and wants to withdraw it immediately after, unfortunately if the interview is on the record, it has to go ahead.

CARLSON: Right. Well, it's a little.

PEEV: I didn't set out in any way, shape.

CARLSON: Right. But I mean, since journalistic standards in Great Britain are so much dramatically lower than they are here, it's a little much being lectured on journalistic ethics by a reporter from the "Scotsman," but I wonder if you could just explain what you think the effect is on the relationship between the press and the powerful. People don't talk to you when you go out of your way to hurt them as you did in this piece.


PEEV: If this is the first time that candid remarks have been published about what one campaign team thinks of the other candidate, then I would argue that your journalists aren't doing a very good job of getting to the truth. Now I did not go out of my way in any way, shape or form to hurt Miss Power. I believe she's an intelligent and perfectly affable woman. In fact, she's -- she is incredibly intelligent so she -- who knows she may have known what she was doing.

She regretted it. She probably acted with integrity. It's not for me to decide one way or the other whether she did the right thing. But I did not go out and try to end her career.

A journalist should never do anything that "hurts" the powerful, otherwise the powerful won't give access to the press any longer. Presumably, the press should only do things that please the powerful so that the powerful keep talking to the press, so that the press in turn can keep pleasing the powerful, in an endless, symbiotic, mutually beneficial cycle. Rarely does someone who plays the role of a "journalist" on TV so candidly describe their real function.

Truth is a rather maleable thing. Here in the USA, apparently truth is what is arrived at after everyone has had a chance to collaberate and get their story straight. The "free" press in this country is as entrenched an institution as any other. They're insiders and courtiers, committed to their privileges and perks granted them as insiders, which reduces them to the role of propagandists, able to quickly get information out from the top downward.

So, basically... this is Carlson's circular argument:

Let's withhold the truth from the public when a "powerful person"tells us to do so.

In withholding the truth, we will gain trust from "powerful people", who will then continue to tell us the truth.

And the objective of getting "powerful people"to tell us the truth is so that we can withhold it from the public to gain even more trust.

Laughable...

The press "are servants" of the powerful, only because they put themselves in that role. An independent press truly is equal to the powerful, as they stand up and reveal the hypocrisy and lies and criminal actions of those who claim to serve us. But, by their passivity, laziness, flattery, and collusion, the press surrender their independence and accept their servility with happiness.

When the media acquiesce to those in power, allow them to spread their lies without challenge, and flatter them with obsequeous, substance-free coverage, the powerful, our purported "public servants", will treat the press as they deserve to be treated: as lapdogs, to be petted or swatted, as circumstances or caprice compel. Because they live in the houses of the powerful, the press believe they are of equal standing with them, are peers, when in fact they are servants. Of course, as sometimes happens, as servants to the powerful, they imagine themselves superior to we the people.

Good riddance to a complete phoney twit of a journalist, like Tucker Carlson.

Hopefully.....Tim Russert is next.









 

NFS4

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Originally posted by: BMW540I6speedHopefully.....Tim Russert is next.


What's wrong with Russert... other than his seemingly endless laundry list of quotes that he doles out on politicians on Sunday mornings.

He seems like a pretty likable guy.
 
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