CNN headlines reports "Russian Missiles Near Turkey", and another headline "Obama Pardons Turkey". Are we talking about the same turkey?
Tell that to the Israeli`s......
At the 91, 92 and 93, various versions of the S-300 had successfully destroyed ballistic missiles and other objects in real exercises, with a high success rate(90% or more if you use 1 missile interceptor).[59][60][61][62][63] In 1995, it was the first system in the world to successfully destroy a R-17 Scud missile in the air.[62]
Every stealth aircraft is more or less detectable by low-frequency radar, but that only detects and locates the aircraft, and does not identify it or provide sufficient tracking to actually target the aircraft.
Lemanskiy et al state that definition of the S-400 design was performed jointly by the designers and the Russian MoD, with specific capability foci in:
Defeating threats at low and very low flight altitudes;
Dealing with the overall reduction of target signatures resulting from the pervasive use of stealth technology;
Dealing with the increase in target quantities resulting from the widspread use of UAVs;
Applying all means to defeat advanced jammers employed by opponents;
Surviving in an environment where PGMs are used widely;
Accommodating an environment where an increasing number of nations are deploying TBMs and IRBMs.
The authors did state that increased radar power-aperture product performance in both the 92N6E Grave Stone and 91N6E Big Bird increases the capability of the S-400 Triumf to engage low signature or stealth targets, but their cryptic claim of 50 percent of the engagement range remains difficult to interpret.
I reported back in 2009 that the F-35 is the only US aircraft built to the requirement that it be able to defeat the most advanced air defense systems, such as the Russians S-400s. But the industry source said that the F-35 would be vulnerable to sophisticated ground-based systems unless accompanied by Growlers, who would be able to use their powerful wide-frequency emitters to blanket a wider spectrum of threats.
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I think we need to use electronic warfare more, although the EA-18G Growler is not a stealth aircraft. There are some semistealth Super Hornet upgrades being promoted by Boeing. Maybe you could add those onto the EA-18G Growler. But why not just make a F-35 EW variant, or even make a F-15SE EW variant? Although the EA-18G Growler would be able to operate from aircraft carriers in cooperation with the F-35B and F-35C, while the F-15SE would have to operate from land. A F-35 EW variant based off the F-35B or F-35C could operate from aircraft carriers, or in the case of F-35B and any F-35B derived EW variant, they could even operate from amphibious warfare ships.
I wonder what Putin's strategy in Syria is. It's certainly not to end the civil war there. I'm seeing Turkey getting more involve, supplying more arms to the rebels, especially ground weapons to take out Russian jet fighters, bombers, and helicopters parking on the ground in the future. This war will escalate further in the future. The rebels have too many people backing them from the outside. Too many nations are acting in their own interest, not in the interest of ending this war, whether it's Turkey, the USA, Russia, Saudi Arabia or Iran. The Syrians are caught up in this.
"Stealth dilemma: debates heats up over F-35s radar-evading tech
http://www.airforce-technology.com/...ats-up-over-f-35s-radar-evading-tech-4332950/
"F-35s Stealth, EW Not Enough, So JSF And Navy Need Growlers; Boeing Says 50-100 More
http://breakingdefense.com/2014/04/...d-navy-need-growlers-boeing-says-50-100-more/
The F-35 doesn't need the Growler...at all.
This looks like the usual blogger nonsense jumping on the anti-F-35 bandwagon.
The reasons behind the Growler buy have to do with Adm. Manazir, probably with a healthy dose of Boeing lobbyists talking points trying to make sure the Super Hornet lines stay open while the Navy waits on delivery of the F-35 Block 3F.
The F-35 doesn't need the Growler...at all.
I think we need to use electronic warfare more, although the EA-18G Growler is not a stealth aircraft. There are some semistealth Super Hornet upgrades being promoted by Boeing. Maybe you could add those onto the EA-18G Growler. But why not just make a F-35 EW variant, or even make a F-15SE EW variant? Although the EA-18G Growler would be able to operate from aircraft carriers in cooperation with the F-35B and F-35C, while the F-15SE would have to operate from land. A F-35 EW variant based off the F-35B or F-35C could operate from aircraft carriers, or in the case of F-35B and any F-35B derived EW variant, they could even operate from amphibious warfare ships.
I wonder what Putin's strategy in Syria is. It's certainly not to end the civil war there. I'm seeing Turkey getting more involve, supplying more arms to the rebels, especially ground weapons to take out Russian jet fighters, bombers, and helicopters parking on the ground in the future. This war will escalate further in the future. The rebels have too many people backing them from the outside. Too many nations are acting in their own interest, not in the interest of ending this war, whether it's Turkey, the USA, Russia, Saudi Arabia or Iran. The Syrians are caught up in this.
Its very simple actually,
1. Russia will not let Syria out of its Influence.
2. Syria is Russia's Mediterranean harbor.
So Russia will do everything to keep Syria and its current leadership. That is, they will help Assad against the rebels, they will target Turkish convoys supplying the Turkman rebels. Russia will also attack ISIS and they will target any convoy crossing to and from Turkey carrying black market oil/weapons etc.
That is what Turkey wants to avoid and why they shoot down the SU-24. Francois Hollande trying to make the western leaders, including Russia, to attack ISIS coordinately in Syria and that is what Turkey wants to avoid.
Turkey has an eye in to Syria territory through the Turkmen minority and they want to eliminate the Kurdish of northern Syria. ISIS is attacking the Kurds so Turkey doesnt want anyone attacking ISIS. There are also reports of black market oil transfer from ISIS to Turkey. So that could also be another reason for Turkey trying to avoid Russia or anyone else attacking ISIS.
The further away a SAM is fired the more time a pilot has to react. One of the most common defeat strategies is to fly right at the missile then break right/left/up/down at the last second. But, if launched from a closer distance the pilot has less time to react and the kill ratio is higher.
The S-400 will be based near Latakia and that's about 100 miles from where the incident happened. That's well within the range of the SAM but far enough that a pilot can react. Now if the S-400 was within 20 miles I'd be inclined to avoid flying that close.
Brian
Just to put what you are claiming into perspective.....Israel has time and time again invaded Syrian skies without Russia`s permission! Russia does not have the technology to enforce a no fly zone!
Don't they generally fire more than one missile right after another to make that maneuver much harder? I mean if they fire it at it's max range the pilots can simply turn around and outrun the thing but not sure about intermediate ranges and multiple SAMs.
EA-18G Growler are ok right now (equivalent to the old EA6 Prowlers) and as they implement the new pods they will still be relevant and useful.
The F-15 is pretty atrocious from a RCS standpoint. Even that Silent eagle they are trying to sell to foreign customers is pretty bad from an RCS standpoint. To expand it capability (F15SE) to include EW would probably turn a now 150 million aircraft into 170 million dollar aircraft on an old platform. Just doesn't seem like a good investment considering budgets
F-35 is already proving itself to be a powerful EW platform, with that's with early blocks.
From what I understand the EA6 Prowlers were more capable than the EA-18G Growler, and they probably will be in at least some ways over the F-35. Would probably be very hard to do with a 1 or 2 man fighter-derived aircraft what you used to do with a 4 man dedicated electronic warfare aircraft.