Holy shit! I had now idea they were that powerful! You would have thought France was more capable.
I'd like to see NATO kick them out all together myself.
I don't think so. Because the shoot down wasn't fundamentally over territory violation, it was over Russians bombing the crap out of Turkmen fighting Assad in Turkey's back yard.
Turkey was clearly waiting for any excuse to strike out at Russia, and maybe they got one, but they wanted to do it anyways.
And Russia won't bomb the Turkmen rebels any less after this, it will probably go full Grozny on them. So Turkey will have to sit there and watch its allies and historical kin destroyed, or it will have to keep striking out at Russia.
But some low-quality crude has been smuggled to Turkey where prices of over $350 a barrel, three times the local rate, have nurtured a lucrative cross-border trade.
Oil smuggling, much of it to Turkey, is a key source of income for ISIS.
you don`t have a clue.....Secondly, you dont engage and fire on an air target for violating your airspace in a depth of 1.36 miles, 1.5 miles in length for 17secs according to the official Turkish UN statement.
For those of you that said the SU-24 was warned before entering Turkish airspace. You have to understand that Turkey had no authority to warn the SU-24 when the Russian aircraft were flying over Syrian airspace.
You only warn when you have a violation, not when the aircraft is flying out of your airspace.
Secondly, you dont engage and fire on an air target for violating your airspace in a depth of 1.36 miles, 1.5 miles in length for 17secs according to the official Turkish UN statement.
You have to understand that in Peace time (there is no war between Syria and Turkey or Russia and Turkey here), You have to make a eye contact identification first of bogeys entering your airspace, warn them to leave your airspace, escort them out of your airspace. Nothing like that happened here, the SU-24 was fired upon from a long distance (the F-16 should of been within Turkey airspace when opened fire) probable without even been identified by the Turkish F-16 before it opened fire.
Any one with two brain cells can see that you have no grasp on the events of the middle east!!Anyone with more than 2 brain cells to rub together can see that Turkey is a major liability to NATO. In fact, it may be a major liability to survival of the human race in general if they keep acting this way.
Let's be real here.
ISIS oil refineries and trucks just got the shit bombed out of them over the last week.
ISIS sells that oil via Turkey. It *was* a $1.5M/day trade. Russia just took most of that out.
http://www.businessinsider.com/r-is...yrian-oil-flow-despite-us-led-strikes-2014-10
http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/is...muggling-previously-thought-officials-n397836
Then Turkey shoots down a Russian ground attack aircraft.
A few years ago there was a 60 Minutes documentary on the ground in Syria where rebels were meeting with US agents, going to Turkey and being put up in a hotel, and receiving arms and equipment via Turkey.
It's well-known that Turkey has supported ISIS when it attacked the Kurds, giving them air support.
There is a long list of evidence showing all of the above, and more, over the past couple of years. Turkey is ISIS lifeline. Without the weapons and oil money, they can't pay their fighters.
Turkey and NATO are just practicing hypocrisy and misdirection via propaganda.
Anyone with more than 2 brain cells to rub together can see that Turkey is a major liability to NATO. In fact, it may be a major liability to survival of the human race in general if they keep acting this way.
They violated turkeys air space then shoot them down! You don`t allow your airspace to be violated ever! Next time instead of a mie it will be 5 and then 10....Secondly, you dont engage and fire on an air target for violating your airspace in a depth of 1.36 miles, 1.5 miles in length for 17secs according to the official Turkish UN statement.
quit trying to deflect.....you can b an idiot and say stupid things about everything....And how many times the Turks have violated the Syrian/Greek air space. Yeah, the Kurds are likely to benefit the most from this.
Only you wonder...the leader of the free world is doing exactly as he should....there is no need to react!Where is the Leader of the Free World?
The world wonders...
you do not know that......The pilot was not over Turkish airspace when he was repeatedly warned.
Found this stuff in just the last few hours or so.
https://undercoverinfo.wordpress.co...bjective-to-destroy-kurds-not-just-pkk-kurds/
https://undercoverinfo.wordpress.co...ely-because-turkey-allows-it-to-the-evidence/
An ISIS commander told The Washington Post on August 12, 2014: Most of the fighters who joined us in the beginning of the war came via Turkey, and so did our equipment and supplies.
Yusaf, the Islamic State commander who traveled to Reyhanli from Syria for an interview with The Washington Post, suggested that the group had the Turks to thank in part for its current success.
Who cares??
Nice try! But no.....How quickly u forget, or were you even born?
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...kk7uc05G9zXeyQ
And don't forget that all US Presidents, except Ronald Reagan, have feared the Russians.
http://www.jfklibrary.org/JFK/JFK-in...le-Crisis.aspx
Thank your US Congress for continued sequestration of military.
http://www.defense.gov/News/Special-.../Sequestration
Yup, people stick their head in the sand and pretend it isn't so because it's easy. Water flows down the easy path, but usually winds up in a ditch.
lie much??Turkey supplied weapons to ISIS. US did not bomb ISIS (See how Russia effectively wiped their bases off the map in 2 weeks). SA and Qatar funded ISIS. There are many bad guys in the game.
Here is another article from a very respectable website.
http://www.theguardian.com/commenti...y-cut-islamic-state-supply-lines-erdogan-isis
Not only has Erdoğan done almost everything he can to cripple the forces actually fighting Isis; there is considerable evidence that his government has been at least tacitly aiding Isis itself.
Depends on the Russian site! I speak fluent Russian. You mean to tell me that you would believe Russian sources?? hmmmm...ok!Is it a fact or speculation? If I head over to a Russian based site, they have a different story. It says, the Turkish aircraft made no radio contact whatsoever and crossed into the Syrian airspace while pursuing the Russian jet.
Somehow I do not see it happening in reality. Would take a lot of reverse engineering.
They might need to take a big coffee break though.
"Turkey has the second largest standing armed force in NATO, after the US Armed Forces, with an estimated strength of 495,000 deployable forces, according to a 2011 NATO estimate.[152] Turkey is one of five NATO member states which are part of the nuclear sharing policy of the alliance, together with Belgium, Germany, Italy, and the Netherlands.[153] A total of 90 B61 nuclear bombs are hosted at the Incirlik Air Base, 40 of which are allocated for use by the Turkish Air Force in case of a nuclear conflict, but their use requires the approval of NATO.[154]"
They are in Air Force guarded vaults I guess.
And it begins...Russians are going to bomb the shit out of those Turkmen now.
They violated turkeys air space then shoot them down! You don`t allow your airspace to be violated ever! Next time instead of a mie it will be 5 and then 10....