Turkey to join EU... but are its people ready?

[fstime]

Originally posted by: Turkish

Originally posted by: BouZouki

Originally posted by: Turkish

Originally posted by: BouZouki
Turkey is a hidden junta, the military still holds much of the power and still pressures the government. Look at all the coups...

Other issues would be Cyprus, Turkey still holds 50,000 troops on the divided island which is a member of the EU as a whole.

They're other issues as well, such as air space violation is so on.



Economically, their population of 65 million is no small number.

Although they are no worse than Romania or Bulgaria economically, it is a much larger burden on the EU's shoulders.

We Turks much rather have a strong military than an Islamist Jihad-loving government.

And the Cyrpiots did not accept a UN plan to unite the island (even though the Turkish side did accept), which would have meant Turkish army would leave the Island. So sorry, Turkey would do nothing more till the island is united under a balanced act.

The Annan plan was a joke, plain and simple.

Why, because it gave equal rights to the Turks? :roll:

Right..... You think that.

I'm sorry but the Turks are a minority on the island, nothing more, nothing less, especially when you take away the thousands of settlers and military. There is a difference from equal and fair.


Should Rhode Island share the same power as Texas in the House? Fair, fine, equal, no.

On top of that, the plan concluded the military would not leave immediately but slowly.


I suggest you read both sides of the story as far as the Annan plan goes, maybe you will see why the Greek Cypriots rejected it.

 

[Turkish]

Originally posted by: BouZouki

Originally posted by: Turkish

Originally posted by: BouZouki

Originally posted by: Turkish

Originally posted by: BouZouki
Turkey is a hidden junta, the military still holds much of the power and still pressures the government. Look at all the coups...

Other issues would be Cyprus, Turkey still holds 50,000 troops on the divided island which is a member of the EU as a whole.

They're other issues as well, such as air space violation is so on.



Economically, their population of 65 million is no small number.

Although they are no worse than Romania or Bulgaria economically, it is a much larger burden on the EU's shoulders.

We Turks much rather have a strong military than an Islamist Jihad-loving government.

And the Cyrpiots did not accept a UN plan to unite the island (even though the Turkish side did accept), which would have meant Turkish army would leave the Island. So sorry, Turkey would do nothing more till the island is united under a balanced act.

The Annan plan was a joke, plain and simple.

Why, because it gave equal rights to the Turks? :roll:

Right..... You think that.

I'm sorry but the Turks are a minority on the island, nothing more, nothing less, especially when you take away the thousands of settlers and military. There is a difference from equal and fair.


Should Rhode Island share the same power as Texas in the House? Fair, fine, equal, no.

On top of that, the plan concluded the military would not leave immediately but slowly.


I suggest you read both sides of the story as far as the Annan plan goes, maybe you will see why the Greek Cypriots rejected it.

Greece and Cyprus were the only nations that didn't find it fair. Both the U.S. and EU found it pretty clean and fair so I don't see how you can even argue this... you tried to squeeze out more thinking the Turkish Cypriots would let you have it but it didn't work.

Honestly I couldn't care less about it. If it were up to me, I'd just make a deal with Greek Cyprus. Pay Turkey and the TRNC to leave the island to the Greeks like the U.S. paid the Russians for Alaska. As simple as that... I just don't care for any more land.

 

[fstime]

Unfortunately, I doubt such a resolution or any resolution will occur in the near future.

I do however feel if Turkey is accepted into the EU, it will tie the country closer with Greece and Cyprus but progress is still to be made.

 

[DarkThinker]

Originally posted by: Turkish
If you think this is the way majority of Turks feel about non-muslims, you are sadly mistaken. Hopefully the party that is in power at the time holds a referendum because 80% of Turks don't want the EU. Maybe when Europe washes off its racism, we'll favor in joining :thumbsup:

Oric, thanks for that post... but don't sweat it... just search for threads on Turkey. AnitaPeterson will be in every one of them and she'll be dissing Turkey even when BBC, The Economist and many other respectable media were applauding it for all the improvements in human, civil and social rights. AnitaPeterson, I have seen it plenty of times in the last 4 years, we get it: You hate Muslims and the Turks. It's ok. We don't care

:thumbsup: Turkish

I really admire Turkey, even though my country of origin had had a bit of bad history with the old Turkey (Ottoman Empire) and my great grandfather was forced to join the Turkish army to fight in WWI and never came back, but when it comes to modern day Turkey it's a different story they are leaps and bounds ahead of any country in the area, good for them, I am not a fan of Turkey or the extreme nationalism I see in Turks nowadays, however credit should be placed where it's due, Turkey is a progressive country that has achieved many things many nations in that area failed to accomplish and most of the hate Turkey keeps getting is in all honesty from people that keep judging Turkey as if it's still the Ottoman Empire of 300 years ago.

However I have to say, if there is one thing holding Turkey back is it's people's covering of the Ottoman empire's actions during the WWI period and before that. My country of origin suffered many hardships including but not exclusive to military courts (Jamal Basha rings a bell), public executions of thousands of innocent people, 400 years of colonization and not a single facility built to improve people's life and improve the country's well being, my country was held back 400 years in time without a shred of progress up until French colonization.

Yet Turkish people I meet and some Turkish coworkers I know (and have a good relationship with) deny any wrong doing of the Ottoman empire. It's true I am talking about history of 100 - 400 years ago, but this blind nationalism of the Turkish people is shocking and is not helping them at all when it comes to international affairs, but if they are happy like that I guess good for them.
Still, if I were a Turk I wouldn't want my country to join the European union, and what I like about the Turks is that most of them aren't for Turkey to join because their pride stands in the way and it's not like they are in a bad situation either, and if they are not wanted then they don't want to be part of that group, I think the EU should come and beg for the Turks to join the EU, in the near but not too far future they will be needed by the union, laugh at the idea but that's my personal opinion and the European union can never truly stand for it's ideals without having Turkey as part of the EU, however the extreme nationalism of the Turks has to be handled too before any of that happens.

 

[Turkish]

Originally posted by: BouZouki
Unfortunately, I doubt such a resolution or any resolution will occur in the near future.

I do however feel if Turkey is accepted into the EU, it will tie the country closer with Greece and Cyprus but progress is still to be made.

Good to know you feel that way because Greeks and Turks are pretty much the same (I have been to Greece once and Greek Islands 10+ times by ferry). We both jaywalk everywhere (even on autobahns), we both drink Raki (Ouzo) too much, eat too much till late every night, can't get out of our mothers' control even when married, etc...

I just hope we have a closer bond in the future without needing the help of EU. As I mentioned above, I am anti-EU membership, along with 80% of the country :thumbsdown:

 

[Mardeth]

Im guessing 80%+ of Europeans dont want Turkey in the EU either. Just waaaayyyyy too different. Ive met a lot of nice adult turks but theres something seriously wrong with the youngsters...